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I see why you are an agnostic. Trying to reason the Law of Celestial Plural Marriage iin any worldly terms is going to fai miserably. You really should stick with monogamy.

Is it me or something is not quite right here? :  to who you're speaking to?

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This is indeed a difficult subject which I am going to broach with caution.  The Gospel is indeed simple and we should keep this in mind when we consider such doctrines and mysteries as the "practice of plural marriage"  

Joseph Fielding Smith once said: "The gospel is simple. There is nothing difficult about it. There are mysteries, no doubt. We do not need to bother about the mysteries, but we should concern ourselves with the simple things pertaining to our salvation and exaltation."  It is my intention to keep this in mind as I post on this topic and I hope that my words are constructive and not destructive.

It is my opinion that 'plural marriage' in that it pertains to 'eternal marriage' is an eternal principle of the Gospel.  I understand the reasoning behind the position that it was merely intended to effectuate the population of Latter-day Saints but I do not hold to this belief.  Instead I am inclined to believe that marriage is 'eternal' and that in the Kingdom of God the principle of 'eternal marriage' and 'plural marriage' as it pertains to eternal marriage will be practiced.  Why did the President of the Church, the Apostles and members of the Church renounce the practice of plural marriage.  I believe the answer to this has to do with government persecution.  The government at that time had all but declared war on Latter-day Saints and it is my opinion that the decision to cease the practice of plural marriage was inspired.  The reason being that if this is the true Church and is indeed directed by Jesus Christ then we have to realize that our Heavenly Father had only two real choices once the government began to persecute members based on polygamy.  He could ask them members to stop the practice of marriage (I do not believe the Lord would command the Saints to stop practicing a eternal principle just like He did not command Adam and Eve to partake of the tree even though it was necessary), or he could have destroyed the United States Government.   In short, His choices were simple.  Plural marriage will one day be practiced, may it be now or during the Millenium or whenever.  I do believe that the Lord will not hold it against us that we did not live this principle at this time nor will we be punished for listening to His counsels.

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I think Edward made a very good point about Heavenly Father having limited choices in this matter.  It is true he is all powerful, but he has given all of us free will and he can't take it back because we don't do what he wants so when the Saints were being so heavily prosecuted, what were his choices without forcing people to do his will?  If he took away free agency, he would have been changing all the "rules" of our earthly existance.

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Edward, great points, I agree with them. Did you have a chance to go through the 14 pages of this thread? I ask because there are great opinions and lots of questions that you may want to share your views about it.

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Unforunately I have not yet had the time to peruse the content and postings on this specific thread, yet I am willing to take the time and to respond to any post which raises my interest and that I think I might have an insightful opinion on, yet I don't tend to express opinions that are not necessarily insightful in nature since one of my philosophies on life is, 'that we should strive not to pontificate.'

Simply because I have an opinion regarding a certain issue doesn't mean that I should express it, especially if I do so in a dogmatic manner which doesn't allow for dissenting opinions.  My nature is to be objective about what others say and subjective about what I believe.  I also want to thank you for responding to my post.  If you find me to be making subjective decisions or expressing subjective opinions about what others have posted please feel free to let me know and I will correct my mistake.  As to my beliefs and opinions you will find that I am far more subjective but my responses should be objective.

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Simply because I have an opinion regarding a certain issue doesn't mean that I should express it, especially if I do so in a dogmatic manner which doesn't allow for dissenting opinions.

I hope you will reconsider that position.  While that might serve you well in social situations, the entire purpose of this forum is to share ideas and opinions.  As long as we do it politely and are willing to allow others the same opportunities it gives us all the benefit of seeing things from the viewpoint of many rather than just from our limited sphere.

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So far we have established...

- Plural marriage is happening in the Celestial Kingdom
- It may be restored to the Earth again
- It is indirectly still practised in the form of sealings
- Heavenly Father also has many wives

Things still to be determined...

- Did Joseph have physical relations with anyone but Emma
- Why Emma denied Joseph participating in plural marriage
- Is it doctrinal to be sealed to someone who is lawfully married
- Is it doctrinal to be sealed to someone already sealed to someone else

Let's start looking at this from a different angle since there seems to be some questions that still cannot be answered...

Are you ready to live the Law of Celestial Marriage (Plural Marriage), if it were brought back to the earth today?

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I would like to add my two cents. Hi, my name is flash, my registerd, username anyway. I have some thoughts from the Journal of Discourses about Jesus being married. I have read the first 6 pages of this topic, and the last page. I realize that the subject of Father in Heaven being married has been brought up. Maybe I should read these posts. But the Journals say that Mary, mother of Jesus was one of these wives. Jesus, following his Father in every sense, also had many wives as taught by some GA's in the JoD.
They also taught he had 'relations' with them, for he had offspring. Some of them even taught that his direct descendents lived among us today.(Today being the present day that the speaker was speaking in the JoD). This took me by surprise at first, but I find that the truth, no matter what it is, comes easy to me.
Joseph Smith, I feel knew a lot more than what we give him credit for. By the time of his death, I figure he was pretty near perfect and had a pretty good idea of almost all the mysteries of God that plague our mind. I say 'that plague our mind', becuase I am sure there are plenty more that we know nothing of.
Anyway, I believe Jesus was married, I believe Father has a plurality of wives, and maybe Jesus. I believe he could have had children, but what of Jesus' children? Jesus was half god half man, for lack of a better phrase, wasn't he? If Father created Jesus the same way we create our children, then what scientific rule can we fall back on to explain what Jesus is exactly? Are his children quarter god and 3 quarter human? And if so, then his grandchildren must be 1/8? And so on and so on.
That is something to think about. I believe in the JoD, an author also discusses, that those who are of the seed of David, are of the seed of Jesus for Jesus is a direct descendant of David. This is all the insight that I have. I wish I had more, but maybe I can get it from much wiser individuals writing on this topic. I am sorry I took liberties and slightly strayed from the subject matter. I hope to be forgiven.