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I have already stated my opinion earlier in this thread and stand by what I have said. I agree with almost everything that has been said here about why gay marriage should not be allowed and the reasoning behind that. I don't think that I have anything more to offer to this thread, but I did want to say that I think I may understand what Maicman is trying to say and where he is coming from.

I think what Maicman means here is that we cannot blame all of the bad things that are happening, and that could happen, upon gay people or gay marriage. I realize that no one was saying that at all, but maybe this is how he is interpreting things and what he is feeling about what the posts are trying to say, even if he may be mistaken. Also, I think he was trying to ask what makes preventing gay marriage so important to focus on when we have the other problems in the world that he mentioned. I think this question was answered well by Howe. This is only from my perspective, but I knew that he meant gay instead of guy in his post. He is from another country and possibly may not be able to express himself perfectly in english (even the spell checker wouldn't catch that one). I am not trying to offend anyone here in what I am saying, nor am I trying to defend anyone, I am simply stating my opinion, and I could be wrong. Just adding my measly two cents here.

Edited: dawnofthenew on 28th Jan, 2005 - 3:22am

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One interesting observation: many people ask why homosexuals can't simply be satisfied with 'civil unions' instead of marriages, if a civil union entails the same rights as a marriage.

The thing is these unions don't. And it might just surprise you, but gays, like everyone else, fall in love, want to declare their love, and perhaps have a ceremony to formally consecrate that love. If a minister is like minded what is wrong with performing the ceremony and having the ceremony be legal?

In the Bible there are many passages that are skimmed over as no longer applicable, even in the new testament. A HUGE ISSUE back then was whether or not to eat food offered to idols..something that has no bearing on today..or does it?

I had a friend who recently compared the 'food offered to idols' passages to drugs..his thought was this 'if drugs are ok for you if you think so but will lead someone else to sin because they don't think they are ok, then don't cause that person to sin..don't use drugs for their sake.' Kind of an interesting twist on that one, and added to me some new life to a some passages I never could see a relevance to before.

But I digress...

The problem with a gay civil union is what defines it? what rights and responsibilities and priviliges go with it? The book would have to be written on it, whereas with marriage, the definition (gender aside) is already pretty clear. Also, I don't know of any state that a 'normal' couple can get married in where it won't be recognized by another state, so this whole thing of 'letting the states decide' is really a moot point if you think about it.

As far as I am concerned, and the church I belong to, anything that is a commitment between TWO CONSENTING ADULTS is a marriage. Seems like a good definition to me, all the clucking about 'abominations' notwithstanding'. To me, it is a worse abomination to sit in judgement of your neighbor than to fall in love with someone with the same anatomical plumbing as yourself. But that's just me.

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The only thing that I agree on and I think that is enough to not accept homosexual marriage is that majority point. I will not say that the rest are just for self-justification or anything, but this is enough for me to agree with you. And the fact that other country offers that possibility is another thing that should justify a refuse on this matter. If they want to get married they should do so in one of this countrys. But what about their status? It will be recognize if they come back in US?

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Status is a very crucial and important word to bring up. Homosexuals do not deserve to have the status of second class citizens because some dissaprove of them. Just imagine, until 1967, the supreme court didn't say that laws against interracial marriage were against the constitution..and many used the bible to defend their stance against it...as well as for slavery a century previous.

Not the same? Because the plumbing parts are different and at least it is male and female in that instance? And yet for many years the STATUS in the US was the same..not acknowledged, frowned upon, and second class, with fewer rights then the rest of the population.

just some food for thought.

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Actually, there are some states that allow and recognize gay marriage. One such state is Massachusetts. The state voted to legalize gay marriage and now many such couples are getting married. There is at least one other state, but I'm not sure which one. Some other states have already voted to define marriage as only between a man and woman, Missouri and Kansas are thus. I recognize the states rights to govern themselves above the central federal government. I think most laws regarding citizen rights should go by state. So what happens if society doesn't degraded in Mass. in the next 15 to 25 years? Does that state then set a precedent for the rest of the union?

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To my knowledge, Massachusetts is the only state with Gay marriage. Vermont has civil unions, not exactly the same thing. The problem with leaving this up to the states is this. You get married in Massachusetts then move to Virginia. Virginia doesn't recognize the marriage. You can't get divorced because as far as they are concerned you aren't married. This has been a problem with couples who got civil unions in Vermont and then moved. They thought they had some legal protection but then when they decided to end the relationship, the Courts refused to honor the union and so there was no legal rights to fall back upon when splitting.

Interesting fact about interracial marriages. It is true and I must admit it bothers me. However, it is a fact I was aware of before this thread so although I am bothered by it, I can't say, it in and of itself changes my mind, but it is one reason I lean towards allowing civil unions. I don't believe things should be done purely on the basis of discrimination. I am not saying I believe that is the only motive behind not allowing such unions or marriages, but I am saying I want to be absolutely sure it isn't the reason for me to oppose them.

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I was reading a local newspaper this morning and they were commenting about the same sex marriage issue, they were quoting some news about a couple (I cannot remember where they were from) where the woman knew before hand that her future husband wanted to become a transexual and she was 'okay' with it. They got married and her husband went through the operation and became a transexual, wherever they are from, transexuals are allowed to have new identity and be consider and treated as the sex as they have become. Therefore, this man is now officially a 'woman' married to another woman. Can the law do anything stop this?. Because legally since they are married, they are entitle to have children or adopt without no legal juridisction in the matter. What are your thoughts?.

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OK, Im going to comment from this on a purely political view. If same sex marriage is banned in the state they are in, then the marriage should be null. Like all laws, I don't believe in loop holes. If the law bans gay marriage, then there marriage is also not valid once the husband becomes a woman. If they are to be treated like a woman, then the marriage is nullified by means of violation of state laws against same sex marriage. To me, this isn't a moral issue at all, its purely a matter of enforcing existing laws. Whether they are wrong or right plays no part in this decision. Close the loop holes, close them in all the laws, stop letting people manipulate laws to get around them.