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I agree with you here, there has been far too much effort to stifle people's freedoms so that no one is offended. I guess when I said that personal freedoms were increasing at an alarming rate, I meant that more in the sense that people are getting the feeling that they have no social obligations whatsoever. People marry and divorce without a second thought, people sue corporations because the corporation failed to protect them from their own stupidity, people walk away from children they have brought into the world, and generally live a life centered on themselves.

I would have to agree that outlawing something simply because someone finds it offensive is wrong. I personally have nothing against gay people, it's their life, their choice, they can do what they want. But I would rather not give their marriages the same legal status as traditional marriages.

You see, there are points to which other's personal choices do have an effect on me. For example, does it matter to me if the guy next door likes downloading #### all day? Not really, except that by using ########### he is supporting the #### industry, which means that I have to wade through more ########### on the internet.

Or if the guy next door wants to be able to buy alchohol anywhere he wants and drink as much of it as he wants. Sure that's his choice, but what do I do when he gets into a drunken fight with his buddies at 2:00 am and keep me up all night?

Or what if the kid down the street wants to buy illegal drugs, does that bother me? Not until his dealers start hanging around my neighborhood and shooting starts going on.

How about gun control? Does it really affect you if your next door neighbor has a truckload of assault rifles and other dangerous weapons? Yes, yes it does.

The point is, that no one truly is an island, our actions affect those around us, whether we like it or not, whether they like it or not. All of these things would be fine with me, if they truly didn't affect me, but they do. I can't conjecture about all of the ways that allowing gay marriage may adversely affect me, but I can make some conjectures, and I don't like what I see coming. In addition religious leaders, people I trust to give me sound advice, have advised the world that allowing gay marriage would not be a good thing, so I have no choice but to fight this to protect myself.

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What is my sexual identity?

We have all lost
People do not experience how great it is to be a guy or girl. Does one actually know precious is him/her in the eyes of God. We were created from the image of God we were bought with a price and that is the blood of Christ. We should lead a life that favors in the eyes of God. Not being cruel to those who are different rather responding to them with a heart of patience. Help to retrieve back their identity that they once stand upright in the eyes of God.

"Do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy spirit, who is in you who you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a rice. Therefore honor God with your body." (1 Cor 6:19-20)

Many say the homosexual are born gay, so what the big deal about it?

This myth of born gay is gradually being accepted by government. More and more states are legalizing same-sex marriages and there is lesser and lesser opposition. Children are taught to have two mothers or fathers and gay is just another kind of love.

Science is a fact, not a theory. Media has grabbed hold of a theory of genetic links to homosexuality and promoted it as science and this lead people astray. A genetic link to some behavior does not prove the idea of normalcy. Looking at alcoholism or tendency towards anger, while they have been promoted as having a genetic linkage, there isn't in out society who would promote these behaviors as alright just because it is genetic linked.

Dr Charles W. Socarides, president of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality argues that since psychologist and ministers have treated homosexuality with success, the genetic cause is very doubtful.

God designed sexual relationships only fir the union of man and women. In the Genesis we know that fornification, adultery, prositition and homosexuals are distortion of God's original plan on healthy sexuality.

"Do not lie with a man as one lies with the woman; that is detestable." (Leviticus 18:22)

In the first Chapter of Romans is a clear condemnation of homosexuals.

"Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their heart to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator - who is forever, praised Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lust. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty of their perversion.

(Roman 1:24-27)

Proper counseling and help are able to change homosexuals. I am here not condemn homosexuals rather hope that them see the biblical perspective, help is always around do grab hold of them.

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While I admire your views and your dedication to your faith, I still think the entire principle of gay marriage is being missed. Its not a matter of faith over indecency because not all "christian" sects agree that being gay is wrong. The Methodists have actually ordained gay ministers.

People do not need other people deciding that they need to be changed. Why do others continually feel the need to impose their perceive morality on others. This entire argument should be about the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but what its has turned into is a matter of what is morally wrong in the eyes of some and thus the consequences of allowing that morality.

There isn't a way to cut and dry this argument. If you believe that homosexuality is morally wrong, you will oppose it. Even if you come up with a reason that is not morally motivated, it was still founded in the idea that it is morally wrong and not on the principle of freedom for all. On the other end of the spectrum, the people who do not follow the Bibles moral code, or any other books moral code, do not have an opposition to gay marriage. Those of us who are realists look at the current state of divorce with heterosexuals and realize that marriage is only sacred to those that hold it sacred in name only. In practice, even christians don't really hold marriage that sacred because there is still a high divorce rate among christians.

I don't mean to pick on christians at all. I apply these principals to everyone including myself. I believe that God wouldn't want to stifle the free will of man kind. If he did, then he would have made the salvation of mans soul, the most important decision, non negotiable. But it is only by free will that God would have us. But as humans, we feel it is our job to impose what we feel is right on all those not like us.

One day man can allow people to live as they chose without hurting others. One day we will stop the ridiculous assumption that allowing one thing will start a landslide that brings the country down. Let freedom ring!

Edited: konquererz on 13th Feb, 2005 - 8:09am

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No manipulation of scripture can alter God's true plan. We can decide to oppose it, but we cannot change the veracity or the reality of it. By my reading of the scriptures, the plan is for a man and a woman to marry and have a family. The Spirit has confirmed that plan to my soul.

I can see how secular organizations and people who deny religion could see homosexuality as acceptable; however, when it comes to religious arguments for the practice, Sodom alone should stand as a sufficient deterrent. However, I do not expect to change anybody's opinion in that regard, because those who contort religion to make its teachings seem contrary to its spirit are beyond the grasp of rational logic.

Edited: howe6079 on 24th Feb, 2005 - 6:02pm

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Rational logic is exactly the argument I'm making. You have chosen the battle ground of one sin in the Bible to try to ban. At some point, you have said that the salvation of your eternal soul has to be voluntary and not forced, but the living of a life not homosexual must be forced into what ever corner we chose. Its not about what is morally right or wrong, its about mans free choice to chose between the right and wrong. That is why alcohal usage is legal, as well as smoking and looking at adult material. All are wrong according to the Bible. One cannot presume that advocating free choice of ones own moral decisions (as long as they only effect themselves) is the loss of rational decision making. Rather it is an understanding that God judges man and not man judging man. Its not irrational to allow someone to chose their own destiny, God after all, gave us a choice in our destiny. Its the legislation of morality that upsets me, because if it is allowed, then someone elses morality could also be imposed on me as is with muslim cultures. The fact that your tone is one of near anger implies that you severely disapprove of those with different moral values. I have read the Bible thoroughly and know what happened to sodom. But if you will read the rest of the old testament, you find that God sent israel to destroy any nation that was evil. Gammorah was not mentioned as having homosexuals, but they had the same fate. The Bible also says that they where evil. Later on homosexuality is heavily implied, but not specified as the explicit reason they where destroyed. And Lot was still spared after he offered them his daughters to "do with as they would please". The Bible doesn't say, or offer other instances in the old testament that Sodom was destroyed because of homosexuality. Decidedly that was part of it, but not the one evil defining factor, because that wasn't even explicitly mentioned, merely that they where evil and had to be destroyed, like so many other nations that stood in Israels path. In fact, every other nations in that time period was considered evil.

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But morality is legislated all the time! Murder, theft, rape, pedophilia, hate crimes, all these are moral subjects that are legislated. The difference here is that society has decided that homosexuality can be considered somewhat normal.

I still say that it comes down to the fact that the people of the US do not want homosexual marriages. They overwhelmingly vote, whenever a vote is allowed, to deny homosexual marriage. Yet various judges and public officials do end runs around the will of the people.

As far as homosexuality within the community, one of the worst problems I see is that homosexuality is touted as being normal behaviour, and it is promoted among teenagers and even children.

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I don't really see the problem with gay marriage as long as both people are ok with it... It seems all the same to me just not as usual and if I'm no part of it why should I try to do something stupid about it? It doesn't make sense what some people think...

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If we take majority rule is the sliding standard for morality, why not put homosexual marriage to a national vote? Because the gay lobby knows the majority of the nation will not support it. They turn to liberal judges and visible media to make themselves look more numerous and powerful than they are in reality.

The teachings of the Bible are the basis of the original establishment of the United States. The laws the founding fathers set forth were obviously influenced heavily by the ten commandments and other Biblical teachings. Proportionately as the nation has forsaken God and these teachings, the moral fiber of the general populace and the high moral ground upon which we once could claim to stand have deteriorated. In fact, at this point, I cannot see that the U.S. can claim to be superior to any nation in morality or social functionality - only in economics and democracy, if our system can still be classified in that way. The whole debate of homosexual marriage is more of a symptom than an independent moral problem in our society. A spiritual Armageddon has begun, and it is a sifting process. In other words, with the shocking state of our society, the time will soon come when every person will be forced to consciously choose a side - either the side of morality and its defense, or the side of corruption and spiritual disease. May we always be found in the defense of morality, rather than rationalizing lasciviousness.