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Kim B

Hmmm...not sure if I completely understand what you mean. There are millions of women out there who are unable to bear a child on their own without being their fault or responsibility.

Those examples are fine but we know NOT all couples are blessed this way. My point still the same (based on Jason's statement), if a couple cannot have children (and NOT by choice) are they misusing this gift? I don't think so.

Of course, we agree on this. My stance on Gay Marriage is not whether goes against the Lord's law or not but whether we should have the RIGHT to impose those religious views on others.

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The point I was trying to make is that while their are women who may very well never have children, through no fault of their own(like Eliza R. Snow for instance) and yet would be completely willing to accept one should the Lord send one, then they are not sinning. We could get off the subject very easily here and delve into birth control etc...but I won't go there. When I said that God is in control of the womb, that's exactly what I meant.


As far as imposing our religious views on others. How far should we allow things to go? Abortion is against my religion and I will protest it and vote against it anyway I can. I feel the same about euthanasia, and infanticide, and many other things that God would consider abominable. I am only one person and therefore cannot force anyone to conform to my views. However if I do not stand up against incorrect principles, doing everything in my power to keep good laws and get rid of bad ones, then I am in the wrong and will be held accountable to God.

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Kim B:

I suppose is a matter of personal choice. I am not completely sure whether the correct thing to do is to impose our moral values to others, where is their freedom of choice then?

You will be held accountable for your own choices not for the choices others make.

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True,
But there are many instances in the scriptures where a whole nation was held accountable for the wicked actions of a portion of their society regardless of the actions of the righteous.
Ish 1:4

It is the responsibility of people to try to counsel, to persuade and to change the society to become a righteous people. If one lets others shape society, are we not in danger of the society bringing us into spiritual bondage as well as themselves.

President Hinkley said:

As a member of this Nation I would think it my responsibility to create laws that uphold the righteousness of the Nation(this would include all nations). Preserving Traditional Marriage is paramount in that struggle, and to the maintaining of the blessing of the Lord for protection. I could do not less, then to be politically involved in maintaining the institution of Marriage.

Edited: dbackers on 2nd Apr, 2008 - 11:25pm

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Dbackers:

Don't we try to counsel and persuade by preaching? Isn't what missionaries do every single day? One thing is to counsel and another thing is to impose by law. There is a huge difference between the two. I can go and tell a brother that homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of God and he may disagree and continue living that lifestyle, another thing is for me to tell him that AND trying to stop him from living what he chose for his OWN life just because I don't agree with it.

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True.
But making Homosexual Marriage a societal norm is in fact a imposition of someone elses morals upon society as a whole and upon the righteous.

When laws are being made to institutionalize something that has never existed, then it is the right of the electorate to try to fight or support such laws, depending on their level of support of disagreement of such laws.

By suggesting that I am imposing my morals on someone else denies the fact that I or anyone else has the right to shape the legislative direction of Laws in the United States. Someone who supports legislation that would allow same sex Marriage has to right to try to impose their ideals on society. I would think that the right would extend to those who would believe the opposite.

Whenever laws are made, they invariable will impose a moral on someone else who does not agree with that law. Such is the nature of laws.

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Well said dbackers.
President Packard has stated regarding the state of our country "It's as bad as Sodom and Gomorrah and I'm sorry to tell you that it is not going to get any better" If we allow our nation to continue to become corrupted because we don't want to 'step on the freedoms of others' we are by default allowing the adversary free reign and inviting our own destruction. Every nation on this earth has been held accountable to God for the sins of the entire nation.
We have to remember that the adversary lies with truth. Yes we have free agency and he would have us use that free agency to choose evil. One could make the "free agency" argument for any crime against and God, but remember, in God's laws to Moses, homosexuality was punishable by death! We aren't going to go that far, but I feel that we do need to stand up for the sanctity and institution of marriage before we as a nation become 'ripe for destruction' as have so many others before us.
We are not wanting taking any rights away from these people, they still have the ability to choose a homosexual lifestyle, however we as a nation would simply not be supporting it by recognizing it as a marriage.

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Name: Peter

Comments: Yea, I'm not going to write a thesis on my view of this subject, but I would like to contribute my two cents. Too often I hear ideas tossed around that scoff at the root cause of homosexual tendencies. Make no mistake: I believe God condemns it... but don't be surprised when (in the near future) a BIOLOGICAL cause/signature is identified for homosexuality. There are plenty of examples in nature of homosexuality, and its already been shown (in flies) that several independent genetic mutations will make males chase males, and females court females. I know, I know, flies are flies, and men are the children of God. But my point is that there probably IS a biological cause, and its probably not always an active decision on the part of an unknowing person. So maybe it'd be more progressive, productive, and understanding to approach cases of homosexuality with less accusation and more assistance. Consider that they [the child of God who 'can' govern the flesh] may be struggling with the way their brain is hardwired... And that it may be no different than a straight man struggling with an above average hypothalamus or pituitary. (I.e. heterosexual sex addict) I mean, remember when we all thought there was no merit for medication when dealing with depression?