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I really want to know, what the heck is going on in Iraq? I thought that an experienced military like the US along with other forces, could have regained control of the situation yet I do not see that happening at all but all the opposite. What is lacking?
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It is a interesting problem to say the least. The US sends in a SURGE of forces to quell the uprisings and that sounds pretty impressive. However, what we don't read about is the constant SURGE of insurgents being sent into or converted in the region. And by the results, they pretty well outweigh the US surge. The US cleans up a area and moves on to the next hot spot and the one they just cleaned up goes right back to enemy control. Who is the enemy? Insurgents...sure, they are the enemy, but I also think that a large swath of the trained police force is not exactly standing up for the fledgeling government. Basically, it is just not going to work. There are too many forces internal and external that are not interested in seeing the success of this government in Iraq.
Way...way back in this thread, I thought about the 3-stan approach: Kurdistan, Sunnistan and Shiistan. However, looking at the boarders that would have to be drawn for this and there are huge problems. First of all, Kurdistan would not be allowed to exists. I had thought the Kurds were just up there in the north keeping quiet, but actually, they have been stirring trouble with the Turks. Turkey has said it will not allow a Kurdish nation on its boarder and I believe their sincerity in that statement. Sunnistan and Shiistan would be a tricky boarder to draw up. You just can't give one the entire southern half of the country or at least easily do it and have everyone happy. Plus, who gets the oil monies? This sounded like a good idea at the time, but this is just putting a unworkable solution in place before the war between the groups internal and external would occur. Not to mention, Iran continues to show interest in the area. Perhaps a new modern day Persian Empire is on the table?
How about we just say "good luck" and leave. Well, this could go a few different way, but there would be a immediate and ultimately deciding test to the existing government. If the people as a whole in Iraq really want it, then it will stand. Personally, with the violence between groups within Iraq, I see the government falling the day the first signs of a mass exodus of foreign troops is seen. If the government falls, the Kurds lose for sure. That is a given. The war is between the Sunnis, Shiites and potentially outside interest.
The only thing that I can see that might stop the outbreak of a all out war is a (and it would basically be permanent or for a long long long time) UN Peacekeeping Force that is much larger than was used in Kosovo. This force can basically never leave Iraq and there will still be fighting continuously much like today, but most likely on a lower level. This would require about all the troops that the UN has available. It also basically means that the US would not be sending anyone home...
The US has send a few more troops into the area, but it is a big area and if there is determination to keep it unstable, they far out number the troops. Currently, there are approximately 160,000 US troops in Iraq. Iraq is a little over 160,000 sq miles. Pretend all the troops are combatant troops (not true), then each soldier much defend and ultimately control 1 sq. mile of soil. Now, there are 26 million in Iraq. Pretend just 1% of them are actively against (probably a pretty low figure), that means we have 260,000 combatants against our 160,000 troops. Now we do have some of the best equipped and trained troops in the area, but by simple numbers you can see why this is not a casualty free operation.
As much as I have tried to think about what I would do if I were in charge now, I come up with no answers that can make it good for everyone. I can come up with many things that I have seen done wrong or that I would have done differently, but I have no good answers for today. Basically, the 90 plus percentage of Iraqis that want peace and a chance to live free need to start standing up for this opportunity. Otherwise, the window is closing and who knows what you will get...
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Thanks for such informative post Vincenzo.
Now I wonder..is it only American's lives valued?
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| CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. - A Marine convicted of kidnapping and conspiring to murder an Iraqi civilian who was killed by troops looking for an insurgent will not serve prison time, a military jury decided Friday. Cpl. Trent Thomas was sentenced to a bad-conduct discharge and reduced pay. He could have received life in prison for his role in the April 2006 killing of the retired Iraqi policeman in the village of Hamdania. Thomas, of Madison, Ill., was among seven Marines and a Navy corpsman accused of snatching 52-year-old Hashim Ibrahim Awad from his house, marching him to a nearby ditch and shooting him after they botched an attempt to capture a suspected insurgent. Prosecutors said squad members tried to cover up the killing by planting a shovel and AK-47 by Awad's body to make it look like he was an insurgent planting a bomb. A military jury of three officers and six enlisted Marines deliberated Thomas' sentence for less than an hour before returning its decision. On Wednesday, the jury convicted Thomas, 25, of kidnapping and conspiracy and acquitted him of other charges, including the most serious, premeditated murder... |
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BUSH DEFENDS IRAQ WAR, DETAILS THREAT FROM AL QAEDA
Responding to critics who say that al Qaeda in Iraq is not the same group that attacked the United States on Sept. 11, 2001, President Bush on Tuesday shared intelligence information he said links the two.
Ref. https://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/24/bus...rror/index.html
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As a veteran I want to believe that those soldiers are not guilty. I know we don't know the whole story, but it sounds awfully condemning. Anywhere you go you will find men that are sick, twisted, and cruel. This is not untrue of the military either. Try to remember that most of the men and women that are in the militaries around the world are honorable, compassionate people that are trying to help and doing their job.
What a mess we are in over in Iraq. Whether the war was right or not is no longer the issue. The issue now is how do we get out and assist the people to create an environment of peace?
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| I really want to know, what the heck is going on in Iraq? I thought that an experienced military like the US along with other forces, could have regained control of the situation yet I do not see that happening at all but all the opposite. What is lacking? |
The problem that I see is that the large militaries of the world are trained to take on a force that they can fight. A force that they can see, track and ultimately obliterate. The tactics currently being used against the forces occupying Iraq are more of a guerrilla warfare. Roadside bombs, RPG's from a single fighter. This is a hard enemy to track. These same tactics were used in Vietnam.
This originally started out as a pre-emptive strike because the US had supposed information of WMD's in Iraq. After that didn't pan out talking to many of my friends who have been over there the emphasis was placed more on a humanitarian effort to bring peace to the embattled people. This has been a good thing for them. It is now time for the people of Iraq to stand up and fight for their freedom, and let the occupying forces go home to their families.
Many people will say that the US is just in it for the oil, but I haven't seen a drop in the price at the pump, and in fact it seems a lot higher than it used to be.
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TAPS RUN DRY IN BAGHDAD HEAT
Ahmed Aidan sells bottled water from his small grocery in a west Baghdad neighborhood, and he's lucky he does.
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EDITORIAL: BAD TIME FOR A VACATION
More than 66,000 Iraqis have been killed since the Iraqi war started in March 2003. More than 2 million Iraqis have become refugees, with most spilling into neighboring countries. Roughly 4 million Iraqis, many of them children, are in dire need of food aid, according to a new Oxfam International report.
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| QUOTE (bobnbrittw @ 28-Jul 07, 2:27 AM) |
| Many people will say that the US is just in it for the oil, but I haven't seen a drop in the price at the pump, and in fact it seems a lot higher than it used to be. |
It's not about dropping the price of oil, it's about *controlling* the oil, in my opinion. The wars being fought now, and that will be fought in the future, are all about Resources.
| Rather off topic, but... I could go on and on, but a lot of that is off topic. Think about Russia planting a flag under the sea at the North Pole. What's that about? RESOURCES. |
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Like I always say: Play with fire and you'll end up burned.
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| Report: Pentagon Has Lost Track of 190,000 AK-47s Given to Iraqi Security Forces The Pentagon has lost track of 190,000 AK-47 rifles and pistols given to Iraqi security forces, the Washington Post reported. The Government Accountability Office is reportedly conducting a review after a July 31 report revealed that Iraqi insurgents may have gotten their hands on weapons and body armor intended to equip Iraqi troops. One senior Pentagon official told the Post that some of the weapons likely are being used against U.S. forces. Meanwhile, the violence in Iraq continued unabated Monday as a homicide bomber slammed his truck into a densely populated residential area in the northern Iraqi city of Tal Afar on Monday, killing at least 28 people, police said. Most of the dead were women and children, the mayor said. |
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