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Bob:

The fact that they are able to breathe, eat, study, move around until they die speaks volume to me. The Iraqi girl and her family that these beasts raped, tortured and killed did not have that chance, why a US military court DID NOT ask for the death penalty for these sick bastards after the heinous crime they committed?

I substantiate it twice with the examples given. You may ignore it if you wish. One guy who was found guilty of murder and try to cover his crime is NOT sent to prison. Soldiers who rape a girl in the most brutal manner, torture her and kill her family are NOT given the death penalty...Am I supposed to believe some of these sickos value the life of an iraqi? The fact that a Military Court would decide these things is DISGUSTING to me.

And who asked them to do that?

Just to know there are cases like that makes me sick to my stomach. I admire those soldiers who (in their thinking, NOT mine) think they are trying to serve their country to the best of their ability and that's honorable . Nevertheless, seeing these cases and adding the treatment to Iraqi prisoners we all saw in the news made me think that we are not speaking of isolated incidents.

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LDS:

As I have looked into this particular case more I have found that these men actually plead out to a lesser charge. I have actually never seen a case where a man has plead out and still received the death penalty. It doesn't happen. Perhaps if this case had actually gone to trial then they would have got the death penalty.

I honestly do not know where you are coming from in categorizing the entire US military as having a lack of value for Iraqi, or any, human life. You have shown two examples of soldiers who have probably received less than adequate punishment. I am fully aware that there have been more cases. Out of over a million cumulative soldiers who have been over there I would say that the numbers are low. I am not ignoring the examples that you say substantiate your claim, I just don't feel that the actions of a few can or should define the whole.

Cases like these exist everwhere, not only in the military but in civilian sectors also. I definitely am not defending these "bastards", I am only saying that they are a part of every society. For you to categorize the entire US military based on the actions of a few psycopaths is wrong at best.

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Bob, I will rephrase my statement again because I re-read my posts and was not clear enough. There are some sickos within the US Military (specially those in charge of Military Courts and those who tortured prisoners and committed serious crimes) that makes me literally sick.

Nevertheless, as I said earlier:

I am extremely upset about these cases, specially the one about the Iraqi girl. US soldiers say they went to Iraq to "help" the freedom of Iraqis yet these atrocities were committed by them! Not even by Iraqis! Yes, you may argue that it is a minority, nevertheless does not make the SERIOUSNESS of these crimes any "lighter" neither we can recover the lives of these people.

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LDS, I totally agree with your revised statements. The soldiers who are committing these atrocities should be drawn and quartered. I do find it distrurbing that they seem to be getting a less than appropriate sentence, in my opinion. I do not know why this is happening. I have to believe that I do not know all of the circumstances. Even still it makes me angry too. It has tarnished the image of the US military.

I am not even going to address your statement that these men are not over there to defend their country, in your thinking. I know for a fact we will never see eye to eye on that.

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I'm not sure how the acts of a very few should stand out as representative of the U.S. military. In every war, there are war crimes. Especially when the war is that of the nature being fought (with the militants using civilian areas to attack military units, and waring civilian clothes).

In essence, what we see on the side of the allies' enemies is war crime after war crime - continued violations of the Geneva Conventions.

Meanwhile, the allies try their soldiers for violating the laws.

And what the allies carry out justice, they get criticized for being too nice. Yet the punishment given to these guys (in this instance) are no more lenient than would be expected in most states of the Union. In other words, they got the same punishment that would have been expected in America for a crime against fellow Americans.

Funny that you don't hear applause from the ACLU and anti-death penalty advocates on this one. Isn't it?

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Tortdog:

So in the USA, if people gang-rape a girl, torture her, shoot her, touch her body improperly AFTER she dies, pour kerosene over her body and burn her then kill all her family including a pre-schooler don't get the death penalty EVEN in the States where death penalty is allowed? Sickening!

Anyhow, what do YOU think about the sentence they got? Since you seem okay with it.

I say: TORTURE THEM AND KILL THEM! Rats like them should not be allowed to breathe.

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Sounds off topic, but....

In states where the death penalty is allowed, I'm sure the death penalty would be given. But NOT where there is a plea agreement, which I understand is the case here. And in most states in America, there is NO option of a death penalty. Europe thinks it's barbaric.

I don't know enough about why the jury did as it did. I think you need to ask them. They saw/heard the evidence.

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Please keep this Topic on the War in Iraq. The specific legalities of Military / Civilian Law / Punishment should be Discussed in another Board.