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  Bush did and is doing the right thing       27.12%
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versus U.S.A. So, now that the USA left Iraq can the country rebuild herself and become stable?
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Report From Damascus: Iraqi Refugees in Syria Speak Out Against U.S. Occupation

Over four years of brutal warfare in Iraq has spawned a refugee crisis of staggering proportions. Two million Iraqis have been forced to leave their country and are now scattered across Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Lebanon, and Turkey. There are an estimated 1.2 million Iraqi refugees in Syria. This report was filed by Democracy Now correspondent Jen Utz.
Ref. https://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/21/1349247


"Iraq Does Not Exist Anymore": Journalist Nir Rosen on How the U.S. Invasion of Iraq Has Led to Ethnic Cleansing, a Worsening Refugee Crisis and the Destabilization of the Middle East

Nir Rosen is an independent journalist and the author of "In the Belly of the Green Bird: The Triumph of the Martyrs in Iraq." He is a fellow at the New America Foundation and has reported extensively from Iraq since the
US-led invasion in 2003.
Ref. https://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/21/1349252


March for Peace: Two Teenagers Walk From San Francisco to Washington D.C. To Protest The Iraq War

Ashley Casale will be a sophomore this fall at Wesleyan University. She came up with the idea of a cross-country march for peace last year and set up a website to invite more people to join her. The only person who stuck it out was Michael Israel, an 18 year old just out of high school. Democracy Now! caught with them last week in Indianapolis.
Ref. https://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/21/1349257

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Post Date: 22nd Aug, 2007 - 2:08pm / Post ID: #

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France Shifts; Sides with America/Britain and Other Allies in Iraq

France visits Iraq and offers itself to help bring the warring factions of Iraq together, in a major shift in French foreign policy. It also has expressed interest in helping to rebuild Iraq.

https://www.iht.com/bin/print.php?id=7199818

Surge Appears to be Working
Senator Clinton, a Democrat running for President and a recent critic of the U.S. policies in Iraq, has admitted that the surge opposed by Democrats and pushed by President Bush is working. Several other Democrats have agreed with this assessment.

https://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/200.../21/325629.aspx

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U.S. PULLOUT IN IRAQ WOULD SPARK VIETNAM-LIKE VIOLENCE: BUSH

Bush Iraq If U.S. troops pull out of Iraq too quickly, it will trigger the kind of violence seen after the American withdrawal in Vietnam, U.S. President George W. Bush said Wednesday.
Ref. https://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/200.../iraq-bush.html

25th Aug, 2007 - 5:51pm / Post ID: #

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My thought about this is... if the US remain in Iraq two more years or ten more years will a culture and people change? To analyze this I will use Japan during WW2. If they did this with Japan during WW2 would they be experiencing the same kind of trouble? Consider that the Japanese were willing to commit suicide (it is not a new thing). During that period they felt the A-bomb was the answer. What is the answer now? Constant clearing out of insurgents village by village? Only to see that village be re-occupied by more insurgents later?

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NIE: INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY HAS TEPID FAITH IN IRAQI LEADERS

Civilian casualties remain high, sectarian groups can't get along, al Qaeda in Iraq is still pulling off high-profile attacks and "to date, Iraqi leaders remain unable to govern effectively," said the declassified version of the National Intelligence Estimate released Thursday.
Ref. https://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/23/nie/index.html


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Post Date: 25th Aug, 2007 - 6:18pm / Post ID: #

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U.S. forces have remained in Japan ever since WWII. They are still there (as well as Germany). Funny that so many expect change of a country's government following war to be immediate.

The difference in Iraq, I believe, is that there are so many who are willing to kill their own people. Terrorists. We didn't have those in Germany and Japan. But they certainly are in Iraq. Which of course is why we should leave Iraq, seeing as how we are engaged in a war on terror....

The irony kills me.

25th Aug, 2007 - 6:31pm / Post ID: #

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I believe, is that there are so many who are willing to kill their own people.

That is the point... in most cases they do not see it as their 'own'. The thinking, as I have learned all too well from other Threads here is that the people in these countries consider you an enemy for just not thinking as they do - born in the same country or not. The other point is that a lot of outsiders are a big part of these attacks, not genuine Iraqis who want a betterment for their country.

Again... BASED on the News report which was what I was referring to... is will two more years or 10 make a difference in a culture - a thinking. Germany and Japan's culture changed only after utter destruction and annihilation - this is the point.


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25th Aug, 2007 - 6:34pm / Post ID: #

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Which of course is why we should leave Iraq, seeing as how we are engaged in a war on terror....

The irony kills me.


I hear you but maybe the US realized that no matter what they do or how long they stay it is not going to stabilize the country because new insurgents will keep coming. Now some people may argue to let the Iraqis fight their own internal warfare, but others (like me) say: If the US went to Iraq with a purpose and pretty much did what they thought was needed to be done, just because the pot is now getting really hot is not time to wash hands and leave.


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26th Aug, 2007 - 12:15am / Post ID: #

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I agree - the troops can't just be withdrawn, there is still so much instability and the Iraqi government still not quite able to *govern* when they are being assaulted from every side by car bombings and suicide murders.

It was different in Japan and Germany after WW2 because there weren't pockets of "insurgents" fighting from every shadow. Once the actual war was over, there was a cooperative effort to rebuild.

That's not happening in Iraq. I don't know that there will ever be that collaboration... maybe not until some country or other over there turns the tide. But I'm not very optimistic about that, given the history of the Middle Eastern Region as a whole.


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