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Tena, I understand what you are saying but I think it may be easier for you to say that when probably you have not experienced more than one or two cases as the ones you mentioned but when is something that is happening every single Sunday, then the whole thing is very much different. The things we described here are only FEW of the things that are going on. This is not about judgment, this is about to do what is right. I personally do not have NOTHING against any of these brothers and sisters, it doesn't mean that I can make a blind eye of what's going on and pretend that everything is fine and that the leaders are 'handling it' because they are not!. Simple and clear, they are not doing anything. I think the leaders have a responsibility of not making the Lord's Church a mockery place. Because when they are aware of SERIOUS situations and nothing is being done, then they are doing a mockery of the Church and I do have blood flowing trough my veins, I would very concerned if I would lose the capacity of being amazed when I experienced these kind of things, because when the capacity of being amazed and angry are lost in situations like that it means you are getting 'used to it' and I cannot and I will not become used to such evils and non-sense.
That's why long ago I decided to not sustain someone for the sake of raising my hand, but because I do believe the person has been called of God. At the present time, there are many leaders who have been called and I have not sustained them and I do not feel bad or guilty about it because as the Lord says 'by their fruits ye shall know them' and believe me, some of their fruits are spoiling.
You see, I don't think you can see it because obviously you are not here and you are not experiencing these things but just to give you an example: There were several investigators when this guy decided to come with a cutlass, of course, they never returned and I will personally not bring ANY investigator to the Church. It is not affecting us only but it is also affecting the neighbours, non-members and reputation of the Church in general.

I don't understand really the reasoning of this question, we want justice because the House of the Lord is a 'house of order' not a 'house of confusion', when we start rationalizing the reasons why we want the things to be right and correct then it is almost seem like the fault is placed under the person that questions rather than the person responsible for the crime.


I have done everything in my power to make this situation right but nothing has been done, I know there is nothing else I personally can do to change it but it doesn't mean that I would sit back and see the whole Church in Trinidad falling apart and see the safety of my own family in jeopardy and think "Well, the Lord knows what's going in Trinidad, he will protect me, let me sit back and see if he comes and does something about it". I'm glad I still have blood on my veins and the capacity to feel, I'm glad I have the capacity of being straightforward and question, I never was and I will never be a blind faith follower just because I may feel the leaders have been inspired by God, because we know...even the chosen ones have fell. Are we willing to be courageous enough and stand up for what is right or are we going to be weak and let Zion perish?.

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I remember hearing recently that the church leaders have been a lot less proactive about disciplinary councils, for some very good reasons.

Following is only my opinion.
From what I understand, the position now seems to be that if a person, man or woman, is not attempting to be active, and is not living up to their covenants, then it really is not productive for the church to pursue any action. If a person wants to leave the church, they actually have to apply to do so. That is, they need to write a letter asking to have their membership revoked. If they are involved in deliberate sin, then they will be personally responsible.

Now, if, and when, such a person decides to get his or her life in order, then they would have to meet with the bishop, and would THEN face a disciplinary court. Remember, a disciplinary court (or council as it is now called) is NOT designed to weed out the weak and sinful among us, but to help the person to repent and return to full activity.

Now, if the action is especially public and/or terrible, such as child molestation, public apostacy (fighting against the church), etc, then it is a different situation. Similarly, if a person is openly adulterous or homosexual, and still trying to participate in all ways, then the Priesthood leaders would have to act.

Now, in the case of a young woman who had an abortion, I can think of several types of situations where it would not be inappropriate for her to retain her membership, and even give talks in Sacrament Meeting. At the same time, I can think of several situations where it WOULD be inappropriate, as well.

For example, the Church now has a clear policy that in case of rape, incest, or to protect the life of the mother, abortion is a valid option. I don't completely agree with this, as I think it is way too broad. However, I wouldn't oppose either the policy or the results of the policy. Also, if the young woman was truly repentant, I could see the possibility that no action would be taken.

However, there are a lot of other situations that make me shudder to consider them. For example, if there is a Priesthood leader who is not worthy, who is a philanderer, or adulterer, or a coward, he might just disregard what is happening. I am also sure that there ARE some truly wicked men in places of authority. I tend to think that they would be very few, and hopefully would be discovered and removed quickly, but the possibility is very real that they are there. Apparently a few years ago we had a bishop in our ward (long before we moved here) who sponsored a "discussion group" of the people who would sit out in the hallways during Sunday School. This discussion group eventually all left the church, causing great dissension at the same time. A few members of the group eventually came back to full activity, but there are several sisters in our ward whose husbands still have nothing to do with the Church, as they have adopted some Unitarian (?) beliefs, and have fully apostatized.

So, it does happen. I don't think it is frequent. At least I hope it isn't common.

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It is not a young woman, is a married woman who also have a baby, her husband holds the Priesthood and is fully aware of the situation. It is not a medical situation where her life was in a danger but a case of convenience since she had a newborn baby when she got pregnant again.

In my 17 years as a member I have never seen something like this, ever. But I try to keep my faith strong and to separate what's going on in the Church to my personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Nobody and nothing will stop me from partaking the sacrament.

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I often heard the statement that the Lord uses the weak things of the earth to accomplish his purposes and I totally agree with it but I do also notices that sometimes this statement is being used to justify the erroneous and serious behaviour of a Church leader for instance. Too often I heard the excuse 'well, we are not perfect'. We all know that, but it does not mean you are going to sit back and do nothing about it!.

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You are right. I am sure I can't really understand. It is somewhat like trying to imagine the damage caused by the tsunami, it is too great to understand without being there. I think it is difficult to understand how our Church leaders allow it to continue either. I wonder, does your area representative know how things are?

I don't understand really the reasoning of this question, we want justice because the House of the Lord is a 'house of order' not a 'house of confusion', when we start rationalizing the reasons why we want the things to be right and correct then it is almost seem like the fault is placed under the person that questions rather than the person responsible for the crime.

I think we are speaking of two different things. You want things corrected. I agree they must be. I am looking for justice, which I think is a different thing. I agree that the things being done wrong in Trinidad need to be changed. The justice I look for with my ex-husband's Church membership isn't necessary for my spiritual well being. Although, the Bishop told me just yesterday that the Holy Ghost has been working on him to do something about it. (He brought it up, not me.) Your spiritual well being is most definately hurt by the things that are being done in your Branch that shouldn't be and the lack of action on the part of your leaders.

Edited: tenaheff on 10th Jan, 2005 - 8:10pm

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Not quite to the level of your leaders following the Beast - or maybe yes... We have a Young Woman President who is single and dresses like a prostitute on occasion (yes sorry to be so blunt, but I have seen her showing all her shoulders and my wife says you can see her panties and bra). She covers every other week or maybe even misses up to three weeks. Her two Counselors are both seasoned mothers who dress very well and attend regularly.

Do you see something wrong with this picture? If you do then one has to wonder why some leaders can't.

I see big implications here, not only for the YW, but the Brethren's eyes that trail her footsteps .

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Leaders sometimes just can't see...or maybe make a blind eye?

Example: This guy was recently baptised and was ordained to the Aaronic Priesthood...but he wears make up and shapes his eyebrows as a woman. (No, I am NOT kidding)

Then there is this leader who looks and talks to his wife in front of everybody like if the woman was a dog! Literally! It's really embarrassing and he holds a high calling within the Branch.

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Some leaders may not stand up to the call they have received but we should not let us deter us from our own calling and what we have to do to receive our salvation.