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Lds Cia Psychologists Torture Techniques - Mormon Doctrine Studies - Posted: 7th Sep, 2012 - 1:19pm
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LDS CIA Psychologists Behind Torture Techniques
Please read the whole article first before posting your opinion. Mitchell and Jessen can be Saints worshiping with you every Sunday, they can be your home teachers or your son's Primary Teachers or who knows....your Bishops.
QUOTE bu Zubaydah was a mess. It was early April 2002, and the al-Qaeda lieutenant had been shot in the groin during a firefight in Pakistan, then captured by the Special Forces and flown to a safe house in Thailand. Now he was experiencing life as America's first high-value detainee in the wake of 9/11. A medical team and a cluster of F.B.I. And C.I.A. Agents stood vigil, all fearing that the next attack on America could happen at any moment. It didn't matter that Zubaydah was unable to eat, drink, sit up, or control his bowels. They wanted him to talk.
A C.I.A. Interrogation team was expected but hadn't yet arrived. But the F.B.I. Agents who had been nursing his wounds and cleaning him after he'd soiled himself asked Zubaydah what he knew. The detainee said something about a plot against an ally, then began slipping into sepsis. He was probably going to die.
The team cabled the morsel of intelligence to C.I.A. headquarters, where it was received with delight by Director George Tenet. "I want to congratulate our officers on the ground," he told a gathering of agents at Langley. When someone explained that the F.B.I. had obtained the information, Tenet blew up and demanded that the C.I.A. Get there immediately, say those who were later told of the meeting. Tenet's instructions were clear: Zubaydah was to be kept alive at all costs. (Through his publisher, George Tenet declined to be interviewed.)
Zubaydah was stabilized at the nearest hospital, and the F.B.I. Continued its questioning using its typical rapport-building techniques. An agent showed him photographs of suspected al-Qaeda members until Zubaydah finally spoke up, blurting out that "Moktar," or Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, had planned 9/11. He then proceeded to lay out the details of the plot. America learned the truth of how 9/11 was organized because a detainee had come to trust his captors after they treated him humanely....
....Mitchell and Jessen's methods were so controversial that, among colleagues, the reaction to their names alone became a litmus test of one's attitude toward coercion and human rights. Their critics called them the "Mormon mafia" (a reference to their shared religion) and the "Poster boys" (referring to the F.B.I.'s "Most wanted" posters, which are where some thought their activities would land them).
A C.I.A. Interrogation team was expected but hadn't yet arrived. But the F.B.I. Agents who had been nursing his wounds and cleaning him after he'd soiled himself asked Zubaydah what he knew. The detainee said something about a plot against an ally, then began slipping into sepsis. He was probably going to die.
The team cabled the morsel of intelligence to C.I.A. headquarters, where it was received with delight by Director George Tenet. "I want to congratulate our officers on the ground," he told a gathering of agents at Langley. When someone explained that the F.B.I. had obtained the information, Tenet blew up and demanded that the C.I.A. Get there immediately, say those who were later told of the meeting. Tenet's instructions were clear: Zubaydah was to be kept alive at all costs. (Through his publisher, George Tenet declined to be interviewed.)
Zubaydah was stabilized at the nearest hospital, and the F.B.I. Continued its questioning using its typical rapport-building techniques. An agent showed him photographs of suspected al-Qaeda members until Zubaydah finally spoke up, blurting out that "Moktar," or Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, had planned 9/11. He then proceeded to lay out the details of the plot. America learned the truth of how 9/11 was organized because a detainee had come to trust his captors after they treated him humanely....
....Mitchell and Jessen's methods were so controversial that, among colleagues, the reaction to their names alone became a litmus test of one's attitude toward coercion and human rights. Their critics called them the "Mormon mafia" (a reference to their shared religion) and the "Poster boys" (referring to the F.B.I.'s "Most wanted" posters, which are where some thought their activities would land them).
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Post Date: 28th Aug, 2007 - 1:59pm / Post ID: #
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If her sources are accurate, then I find this disturbing. I do not believe that any man worthy of the companionship of the Holy Ghost would do the heinous things she claims. But the two Mormons against whom these allegations are made deny that they ever engaged in torture.
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| QUOTE (tortdog @ 28-Aug 07, 9:59 AM) |
| But the two Mormons against whom these allegations are made deny that they ever engaged in torture. |
And they may be right, because most of the allegations indicate they are "masterminds" behind the techniques but not the actual torture sessions.
Post Date: 28th Aug, 2007 - 2:42pm / Post ID: #
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I think that is a parsing of words. Architect of torture techniques or perpetrator, it's one and the same (maybe worse).
The question raised is whether water boarding is torture. I don't think that it is (and America water boards its own soldiers in preparation for being taken captive during war). So if we use this technique on our own soldiers, I'm not sure why we should feel we can't use the technique on terrorists.
| Rather off topic, but... However, I do believe it violates the Geneva Conventions for POWs. Mind you, though, these fellows are arguably not subject to the Geneva Conventions. |
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This might not sit well with many, but its a job with national security in mind. When the Nephites had to fight the Lamanites I bet they did so in a tactical manner, sometimes its necessary to win the war otherwise so much more is lost.
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