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I know you can't post links yet but can you at least tell me where I can find the old quote and the new one? Thank you.

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Brother Bcspace, you should upload an avatar so it doesn't get confused with the rest of the folks who don't have an avatar. Just a suggestion.

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I can't even simulate a link here such as using DOT COM...The filter is too intelligent or I am not sneaky enough.

The ETB quote which included evolution is as early as ....
Benson, New Era, May 1975, Jesus Christ-Gifts and Expectations

It has been removed by...
Benson, Ensign, December 1988, Jesus Christ-Gifts and Expectations

Robert Millet quotes the old version twice in articles in the 1990's.

It's interesting because the BoM actually lends support evolution by proposing a state of existence prior to the garden state (no death) in which the property of no death is not specified. This is 2 Nephi 2:22.

According to that verse, all things were created AND THEN placed into the garden state of death. Evolution can swim here according to my own hypothesis and one can still say there was no death before the Fall (but there was death before the garden state).

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I don't seem to be able to upload an avatar yet and I have not been thrilled with the ones provided.

Edited: bcspace on 20th Jul, 2011 - 6:41pm

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Thank you. You are very close to 100 posts so in no time you will be able to post links. I will take a look because I find it extremely interesting (if true) the change they made with regards to evolution. It will mean the Church truly isn't sure about the topic.

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If you have any questions with your avatar, you can go in your intro thread and ask, they have a very fast support system on this site.

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I think the Church has been sure that it has no position on the matter since 1931. Regarding that debate, it's interesting that it was the older apostles who supported evolution and preAdamite races and the younger ones (like JFS) who opposed.

There were many who were influenced by JFS, including the young BRM. Now we have a generation or two who have been weaned on the non doctrinal works of "Mormon Doctrine" and "Man, His Origin and Destiny". So some of these generations who make it to GA, will sometimes insert anti evolutionary statements into articles and manuals.

But when it comes down to it, the Church leadership as a whole tends to remember 1931 and so such statements tend to get moderated to the point where it's obvious that the individual opposes evolution, but can't quite address it in that fashion. For example, a statement will get qualified with the fact that we don't really know doctrinally what the physical processes of creation were. Or some will (often ignorantly) address the atheist conclusion about evolution and not what evolution itself is or says.

You should also consider BRM's "Seven Deadly Heresies" speech which you can google. It's not officially doctrinal. But it's interesting because while BRM lists evolution as one of the heresies, he essentially admits that it could be okay to accept evolution if one can find a way to reconcile it with other doctrines. I believe I have done this for myself. But it's a complete turn around for BRM.

Edited: bcspace on 20th Jul, 2011 - 7:22pm

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