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Here is a little more discussion about the democracy movement in Hong Kong.

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Why are we so concerned about the end of democracy in HK? I supposed thats because we are so used to seeing HK as the world's capital of free enterprise. But have we forgotten that HK was and still is a part of China? It was only leased out to the British a century or so ago. Now, China has every sovereign right to administer, rule or manage HK as it wants, just like any other province within its borders.

And I too, think China's administration is not stupid to push in such a way until HK's free-wheeling economy collapses. But China while wanting to open up to the rest of the world, would also like to do it at its own pace. What's wrong with that? And as far as HK is concerned, what HK does and gets does have ramifications for the rest of China's sovereign territories. And with a quarter of the world's population, it has to really manage the changes well. What the west doesn't understand is this. It wants nations to embrace their version of democracy overnight. It is just not possibe. Look at Russia and the former Soviet bloc countries.

No, HK will not become a communist state, and neither will China reverts to communism. It is more of a socialist state right now, transitioning into the more 'acceptable' democratic mode. All China is asking is for non-interference of its sovereignity while it is slowly managing its policies towards democracy.

HK never had a democratically elected government all these time while under the British rule, and was not allowed to have one that supercedes the power of the British Queen half a world away, so why the hard push now for HK to have one?

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I think the fact that is has been a "free" society for the last 99 years is exactly why it is a concern. This means that all the people who live there have lived their entire lives with one sort of rule and are now expected to adapt to a less "free" one. Certainly, you must recognize that even as China moves to socialist principals, it is still a relatively oppressive government. I do not believe "free" speech for example prevails in mainland China.

I agree China has every right to do what they want, I just find it a topic worth discussing because what they choose to do has a great impact on those who live in Hong Kong and probably not necessarily an impact in a direction the majority of Hong Kong citizens want to see.

Edited: tenaheff on 6th May, 2004 - 5:11pm

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I'm a little confused over the use of terms in this thread.

Socialism and communism are two words which - as a philosophy and principle - are the same thing. Eg. Communist Russia's USSR, guess what one of the S's stood for?

It is true that the communist-socialist philosophy of collectivism has used less violent means in the West (where it generally is called socialism), and more (and sometimes very) violently in the East (where it is generally called communism by those in the West), but these distinctions do not alter the principles - they are the same for both because it is the same.

This is important to understand if we are to judge the relative freedom of Hong Kong.

I personally feel HK will grow increasingly controlled.

Dubhdara.

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NEW HONG KONG LEADER SWORN IN

Donald Tsang was sworn in as Hong Kong's new leader Friday at a ceremony in Beijing.
Ref. https://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/200.../tsang0624.html

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I think that Hong Kong will get democracy sooner or later, given how advanced it is. Its fiscal per capita is over $30,000, I believe? It has the middle class base to work, but is not sufficently roused, yet. My confidence is that it will be some time before we reach the quarter-century mark of 2026, possibly way before.

Anyone dsagree with this optimism? If so, then why?

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If the majority violating the rights of the individual or minority (democracy) is better than the tyrant or ruling group of tyrants doing the same then yes, it may be a slight advancement - but it is not in the nature of communism to let go though it may be in its interest to have it appear so for a time.

I suspect the apparent growth will be allowed for some time in order to weaken (if but in image) the West.

Let us hope, however, for a more optimistic picture than I paint.