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Granted that we must at times enter places that are spiritually unkind, however we must do so based on knowing our own limits. When Jesus entered the places of harlots and tax collectors he was entering as Jesus Christ, Lord of Lords. He was not entering like we would - mere mortals prone to grave errors and easily giving into temptations. It will be a terrible mistake for a person that was once sexually active prior to baptism to enter a brothel for any reason. How bad it would be for a former alcoholic to put himself in the situation of entering a bar to meet with old friends. Any psychologist will tell you that could be the beginning of the end. Basically... we must do these things with proper judgment, and possibly in at least twos where one helps the other, not alone.

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When I think about bars, I think about Trinidad. Men and women inside and outside drinking, laughing loudly and a cloud of smoke all over the place. Why would I want to be there even if I go to "visit" a friend? It's almost like trying to go to a dirty restaurant where there is trash all over the place and pretending to clean up a table, sit and have a normal meal where everything surrounding me stinks.

Granted sometimes we go to these places to help someone, etc but sometimes we think of ourselves as very strong but we need to watch out regardless of how we perceive ourselves. "The Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak".

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Those places seam to have a spirit of getting drunk and getting some action if you know what I mean. It is at least 10 times harder for some people to resist in these places. Especially when all of the memories start flooding back. Maybe one day I could go in without any problems, but it is way to much to risk right now. If you are clean the whole bar would gravitate towards you. You would have the opposite sex all over you in a flash. They are always looking for fresh produce if you know what I mean. Like a bunch of destroyers and scavengers (succubus and incubus). You could always tell the people that came in that had a little light. After a year their light was gone and they looked fatigued. Like vampires sucking at them. People in these places can tell and they feed. It may sound odd, but it is true. These places are littered with disgusting homosexuals. This usually ends up with uncomfortable confrontations. Looking back on it now it is as close as I can relate to how sodom and gomorrah might have been. I was usually one of the ones that had to "clean house" before the cops came by for closing. People would be having sex in diverse corners of the bars. 2 or 3 women together, sometimes 2 dudes together. People would be wide eyed from the drugs. They would snort lines right on the table in front of everyone. The cops were not any better. They would come in and try to pick up the drunk women by threatening them. You usually have to go to the city bars to see all this. It was an interesting 4 years. People tried to set fire to the place. There were stories of women and sometimes men getting raped. Most of it was just bad memories. People were shocked at the end of the night if there were no fights.

I believe that some people can go to these places that have a shady past, but it takes more than what I got right now. Wouldn't hurt my feelings if I never had to go in. I have had to go pick people up before, but I tell them to make sure they are outside. I would only go in in an emergency.

I am talking about the real bars and not the food bars or even the higher class bars.

I wonder if there will be a lot more of this in the last days? Maybe it will be all over the place.

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As I mentioned before, a lot of people do agree with the majority on this thread (it not being a big deal) and I do not judge them for it. When I am speaking of the appearance of evil and such it is for a personal basis. But the last three posts sum up my thoughts exactly!

I think our "little minds" also have a tendency to justify things and I think I would rather err on the side of my thoughts (avoiding the temptation and appearance) than justification. That is a personal choice for me.

I agree 110% with these comments. Some people do not have issues with drinking or drugs. The saying, "Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic"...I sincerely believe. To me it is not about the fact you will fail and drink someday--more about how Quasar explained it--once you have experienced it it will be with you for life. It is not worth risking.

I have been sober and drug free for a long time now and am thankful for that. I depend on the Spirit to get me through those times of temptation when I am not even in a bar or place of that sort. It is only my opinion and could be wrong but I do not think the Spirit can dwell in a place like that. If that is true, when I walk through that door I am basically asking it to wait outside for me and hope I can be strong enough on my own. As Quasar said, "Way to much to risk!"

Also he noted

I do think their is a difference, but on that same note, if you are watching people and around those having fun and remembering all the "fun" times you had, Satan will distract you, maybe not the first or second time, but he will and he will wear you down. I know, it happened to me.

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It is very important not to judge (in fact, we are commanded not to judge, or at least make final judgments, but that's another topic), but the reality is that most people do judge. Additionally, we could say that other people shouldn't or don't affect us, permanently or temporarily (meaning everything from our salvation all the way to our daily mood). But the reality is that the actions and words of others do affect us. So because we do not live in an ideal world, and the actions of others do affects us (and our actions affect them), we just need to be cautious when we're out in the world. We may never know how our actions influence another to act, both good and bad. Suppose a church member that's a recovering alcoholic sees a 'good' church member leaving a bar and decides that if that person is in there (drinking or not), they can be there, too. Then they justify taking one drink, then another, then another, until it's too late. Is that church member then to blame for the recovering alcoholic falling off the wagon? Of course not. But like it or not, that member did play a part in it. All I'm saying is we need to be careful how we act, what we say, and where we go, because someone is always watching, and again, like it or not, our actions and words do affect other people.

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You all think that recovering alcoholics are weak minded fools. That is not true. They were weak minded fools. That is "were". You would be surprised what little affect that would have on a recovering alcoholic. You would have a worse time from a supposed "straight laced" member spreading rumors. I would just wonder if you were in distress. If you were just there to get your fix then that is between you and God. An X alcoholic would be more inclined to help you.

We can find an excuse to drink for anything. It doesn't take a member in a bar to do that (the least of things). Believe me on this. It is not your responsibility to save an alcoholic. We pay for our own sins and depend on the lord.

Actually I wouldn't say anything to anyone about it. I would try to talk to you about what was going on. If it was for bad reasons then that is between you and God. None of my business. Unless you were a leader in the church or a politician. That affects me and mine.

Alcoholics are much more likely to be influenced by X alcoholics than they would a none alcoholics. They look up to people that have beaten it. Someone that understands. They can sense fake to. Non alcoholics and drug users have very little influence in this believe it or not.

I like to go up to women and talk about the pains of child birth. Somehow they don't believe me. Get it?

I think that is great. It is really tough. Keep it up! I am sure you would tell me the same.

I never found a group of people I got along with more though. I kind of miss that. Those were really the "good memories". It was kind of the outcast group. We all had problems from childhood or something. It is almost like it is O.K to be more social and act stupid there. Really, they were the most forgiving people in a lot of ways, because they did the same thing. Some of them did very disturbing things, but if you take one you got to take them all (accept the really really disturbed ones). Whatever, not so perfect lives lead to not so perfect activities sometimes. I thought I was treating you like a sister for some reason. I miss a lot of them. They were like family. I had to get rid of all of the photos. Some of them overdosed, one committed suicide, a few are in jail, and god only knows what happened to the rest. I don't want to know. It really tares me up inside. I think about them every day.

Much better statement. That is the real kicker. Maybe not much of a difference between the 2.

Edited: Quasar on 4th Oct, 2008 - 4:45am