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I can only say 'every now and again'. I do have some content to put up, I would say I am about half way through. As I add something new I ususally update this Thread.

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bordeglobal.com/foruminv/index.php?showforum=120 Integration Complete!

I have finished integrating the content of the bordeglobal.com/foruminv/index.php?showforum=120 site. We have more here now than was actually displayed on the original site. Most are located in the LDS Downloads section and the LDS Mature Board. Other Topics are right here in the LDS Deep Doctrine Board. I will of course continue to add more goodies as I find them.

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More Downloads Added

I just added some more Downloads to the Mature section (LDS Downloads 4), including submissions by Amonhi and various other Doctrines in a zip.

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Name: John

Subject: Doctrinal Position of your Web Site - www.bordeglobal.com/foruminv/index.php?showforum=120

Message: Re: Kingdom of God site (https://www.bordeglobal.com/foruminv/index.php?showforum=120/index.php)

Please forgive me if I have not researched enough about your site and consequently ask a naive question or two. [..]

You apparently require people who register with your site to be active LDS members. Yet, some of the "public" topics contain material that LDS members have at times gotten into real hot water for bringing up or discussing--certainly I have seen such subjects immediately shut down in SS gospel doctrine class. I of course did not gain access to the types of material at your web site that you deem too "mature" for people not fitting your registration criteria, yet certainly even these topic titles alone indicate even more so that the material is in the "verbotten" list for "active" card-carrying LDS people to be spending their time on. Indeed, people have even been thrown out for seeking to learn these things -- givens from former LDS days -- and to justify them with the current LDS doctrinal landscape.

More specifically, the doctrine of "reincarnation" or the same notion under other appellations has been roundly dismissed by LDS leaders (no matter what Eliza told her brother Lorenzo), as well as the Adam-God doctrine (the word "theory" was coined only in recent times), and of course plural marriage, which I presume that you refer to under the title "Patriarchal" for marriage or family.

So in short, to provide a forum for the intimate discussion of these "mature" subjects, but which is only open to card-carrying LDS people is to me a significant contradiction.

Who are you and what is going on? Please explain.

You talk about "Pre-Zion Standards For Holiness And Godliness" and the principle of 'the Gathering" as if you were about to embark on this yourselves, while LDS leaders haven't spoken on this subject for years and years, and whose actions are now antithetical to these former core LDS principles.

You talk about "Patriarchal Family Standards" which appear to be Orson Pratt's counsel and teachings on Plural Marriage -- something that will get an LDS person thrown out real quick. So are you advocating or practicing "plural marriage" openly or in secret? If so, why require LDS membership for your site, inasmuch as the LDS Church has now denied even the doctrinal foundation for these things?

You talk about Rebaptism, something completely out of the correlated LDS instruction curriculum, and on and on.

So are you representing a people clandestinely in or out of the LDS Church planning on making a run on "establishing Zion" outside of the authority of the LDS leadership? If so, then why require your registrants to be active LDS members?

If I have missed something here, please inform me.

But it would be refreshing for you to be more up front on who or what you are, or represent.

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I'm going to take a stab at answering this for JB.

I am an active member of the LDS church. As such, I am very interested in the history of LDS doctrine.

While, as you said, many of these things have been "roundly dismissed by LDS leaders," there is still a lot of information out there about them. Just because some people don't want to discuss something, doesn't mean that there isn't truth to it.

As far as I know, there is no ulterior motive here. I was the original owner of a bordeglobal.com/foruminv/index.php?showforum=120 website, and when I could no longer support it, the webmaster here offered to build it up and keep information available for people. I know, through experience, that some of these documents are difficult to find.

As you pointed out, some people have been thrown out of the Church just for discussing these subjects. Personally, I think that it is an acceptable risk to take in order to learn as much as possible about what the Lord has revealed to mankind.

As for why it is reserved for "Mature" LDS, that is because many people, both LDS and not, cannot discuss these subjects without putting too much emotion in the discussion, and end up making personal attacks against each other. Therefore, the boards for those discussions are secured, and only people who have proven that they are above the name-calling position get to join in there.

To me, the bordeglobal.com/foruminv/index.php?showforum=120 website is a nice little place to get a taste of some of the information that is available. The discussion area allows people to discuss the documents, and see how their understandings differ or complement each other.

I hope that this answers your questions.

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John I havent enter the mature section yet and you havent either so how in the world you make all these assumptions?... Is there a list of topics approved by the church that we can only discuss and others out of the question you know what am I saying? Did the church suddenly became the Gestapo where you cannot open your mouth because you may get in "trouble"? Re-read your message and tell me if it doesnt sound like someone who fears the church of Christ.

Kingdom Zion Site - Page 2

The original poster "John" replied to this Thread but it was a mixture of so many things, much of which is unrelated to the actual KOZ2 site and more or less just a rant about not being able to access as he wants on this site. He adds personal history and other thoughts best suited for a Blog really, so I placed it here: Source 1

As for John's original question, I think it was answered sufficiently by Nighthawk. The only three things I will add is:

1. John along with the MANY others who try to access the Mature LDS section should look at this Thread: Source 1

2. Making an analysis of something through research does not mean it is believed or disbelieved. Hence CSI personnel research crimes through various tests and conclusions based on fact, but are not themselves part of the crime.

Last point is an off topic for sure, but it needs to be said,

Rather off topic, but...
3. Anyone who thinks that websites online are there free and should be accessible by anyone at anytime really does not know how it all works and how sites such as this have come to be here in the first place. Go study and learn what is hosting, domains, updating, security protocols, design, etc. Or maybe some people allows anyone that knocks on their door - in.

I think the site you are looking for is: LDS-Doctrine.com