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Welfare For Your Wrong Choices? - Page 2

That is true. I was on welfare for a few years after getting out of the Air Force. Actually, I should have been on food stamps while IN the AF, as the pay was so bad.

I had jobs all the time. I frequently worked two or three jobs. Finally, we moved to Utah so that I could finish a degree, and accepted another couple of years of welfare, including food stamps and medical aid, while I finished school.

Now there are several points about this story that bear thinking about.

Part of the reason that it is so difficult to get off of welfare, is that people are penalized for trying to get off welfare. As soon as they get a job, no matter how small, they lose every bit of help. They must report if they get a gift from a family member. They must report if they get money for mowing a neighbor's lawn.

Another reason that welfare is so bad is that it requires massive taxation in order to survive. Most of that taxation comes in the form of "corporate taxes". Well, corporate taxes are the most immoral of all, as they are merely ways to hide the taxation of the everyday citizen, while they drive small business into bankruptcy. For example, 15% to 20% of food price come from the taxes levied against the farmer, the hauler, the processor, the distributor, then the grocery store. About 30% of the price of a car consists entirely of taxes. When you hire a mechanic to work on your car, at least 10% of the price is hidden taxes.

So, the person who is trying desperately to get off of welfare is actually spending about 30% of his income in taxes - to pay largely for welfare! This inflation of prices serves very well to keep the people on welfare under the oppression of this very system.

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Very good points and in saying (and standing by) my statment that welfare is stealing I would like to say that we are pushed into corners in our day and age. If a slave were locked in a room and given food once a week he would eat it perhaps even if he knew it was stolen.

Hard reality I know, but it does not change the fact that stealing is wrong nor does it change the fact that we can find ourselves in dilemmas. We need to do our best and work for change and seek to remain as unspotted as we can.

On eof the greatest dangers perhaps is that in compromising or in seeing no other way out, we then accept evil as good - or at least acceptable under certain conditions. It is not of course though choice may be taken from us.

Dubhdara.

Welfare For Your Wrong Choices? History & Civil Business Politics

Welfare: Helping or hurting?

Fifteen years ago, when the federal government started requiring welfare recipients to log work hours in order to take home benefits, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce hailed the program, called Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, as the "reassertion of America's work ethic." Social scientists were wary, though, and have spent considerable time since struggling to decipher the effect this new stressor would have on the poor's already-frail children. Ref. Source 1

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I am on food stamps. My Hubby is a cop and makes way too little for what he does. I am disabled, but not eligible for disability. We BARELY make it even with food stamps. We have a pretty humble home, a manufactured home in a regular subdivision, but our mortgage takes half of our take home. I think welfare is definitely needed in this horrible state our country is in.

Personally, I would like to see the welfare system overhauled. I think it's necessary but not helping people out of the hole.

Rather off topic, but...
Now I am LDS, and my church has an amazing system that I think could be adapted to a national system. The church(Gov in the case I'd like to see) owns farms, factories, canneries, etc. The food is mostly produced by the church, processed by the church, can canned, etc. You get the idea. However those who need help are asked to help out for the food, according to their ability. So those receiving help would be doing the work that gets it there. They would work with job services, too. It's really a well run system. Compassionate yet helpful.

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[..] Civilizations rise and fall and rise and fall in all matters, it's the way it is. The higher we grab with greed the farther we will fall, after the Reagan era we are falling hard and fast. Everybody moves to Rome and Constantinople loses people, that's the way it goes.

If everyone wasn't grabbing for the brass ring, there might then be no need for Welfare. But now we need it.

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Choices Wrong Your Welfare

If things were shaped differently there wouldn't be a need for 'welfare' or any handouts because everything would be within the means of all.

Welfare For Your Wrong Choices?

Rather off topic, but...
Sorry, I was only using the entity of the churches structure in the welfare department as a basis for a system that works and HOW I would like to see the US Welfare system restructured, not for a religious emphasis or any religious or spiritual topic. I did not realize any mention of religion was forbidden. Sorry.

I had mentioned the article I got the quote from earlier in the post, I apologize I didn't restate it, my bad.

To Save America, Exactly. If things worked better in the country it would not be necessary. Things are badly broken now. If people rob banks just for the health care, can Jean Val Jean situations be very far behind? With the way some congressmen want things to be, the poor WILL be starving, and the elderly below the top 20% of income will need welfare to make up for the loss of medicare. It will be a disaster. At this point in time with all the info of tax dodging of major corps, and the uber-rich, if they took away Welfare, there would be revolution. Without a doubt. They are called Revolutions because they always come around again. (Last line stolen from Terry Pratchett.)

Welfare Your Wrong Choices - Page 2

Welfare is a necessary evil in society because the system is unfair. Welfare sort of tries to even things out if you want to look at it that way but it does a poor job of it. Of course its better than nothing.

Welfare Your Wrong Choices Politics Business Civil & History - Page 2

There are always the bad apples that give the welfare system a bad name but welfare in itself is a good thing. It just has to be handled right. Now as the title of this topic suggests... Who doesn't make mistakes?