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Thanks Ambria, I couldn't have said it better. I want to make it clear that I am not condoning what was done, and I am not trying to make a joke out of it, or imply that I would do the same, even if I am not in the public eye like Harry is. What I was trying to say is that if I were to wear such a costume, while done in poor taste, I would not have every world newspaper and magazine talking about it. Which means that more people are exposed to the situation and therefore influenced by it. My actions would affect those in the room, and anyone else who may come into contact with me. Harry's actions affect people around the world, because of who he is. That is why he needs to be more aware of what he does, who he affiliates himself with, what he says, etc etc. I hope this clarifies what I tried to convey earlier and I apologize if I offended anyone, but this is how I feel about it.

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I am not actually surprised, in my personal experience with some US citizens (and I hope this does NOT sounds bad because it is NOT intented that way) the ones I met were not very empathetic about worldwide issues in history. I don't know if are only the people I met or if it is a cultural thing, but I could see that issues like this one did not affect them in the minimum but I do see a big difference with other people I have met of other countries, they seem to be more aware of what these people went through and they feel more sensitive about issues like this. In Trinidad I think it may even be worst, a lot of people are not interested in history and have not empathy whatsoever...I even had a child who I used to teach (a girl) who thought that Hitler was such a 'cool' guy I guess in the end, is all a matter of perception, background, experience and how we really feel towards humanity. My experience in the matter goes back to Argentina (the second country in America with most jews and more nazis who have exile from Germany after the war, paradojic huh?), the topic is a very common one and people know quiet a bit about it, with such a big jewish population if someone dares to dress as a nazy will cause a lot of trouble. Yet, we have 'skinheads' and some small pro-nazis groups. I think in the end is just a matter of how sensitive we are towards the value we give to human life...and whether the number "6 million" people means anything to us.

Edited: LDS_forever on 14th Jan, 2005 - 10:51pm

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LDS, no offense taken by me. I think you may actually be correct in your observations. I think the US tends to be a bit insulated from things. Until 9/11 we had never really had much happen on our soil. It has always happened someplace else. I think it makes us sometimes less empathetic. We tend to view it as something that happens to others but not to us.

However, I will say that I try to learn from this forum how others view things so I don't think it is so much that I don't care as I am not aware. Perhaps this is the same for others as well.

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I have to say I am definitely in agreement with you, LDS. Now, I am not taking anyone's sides here, there are no sides. But I concur with the opinion of LDS. A few years ago, after 9/11, Halloween occurred the next month. (I can't remember if this was the same year as 9/11 or the next.) When I went to costume shops to buy costumes for my children, I was absolutely SHOCKED to see that items like an Osama Bin Laden mask or a Saddam Hussein mask were displayed and sold like it was just another costume. I was even more shocked when we saw people dressed in that on Halloween. How ANYONE could be so insensitive and disrespectful to all those people who were killed and to all of the family, friends, and the community is beyond my comprehension. To me, it is like saying, "I am wearing this costume because I like those wicked men, and I support them, not the victims." All over the world most people know who Hitler was. How someone could wear a costume of him and think that it is even remotely funny or trivial has no respect for the human race. Harry and his brother, William, absolutely should have known better. I also think that the consequence of having to go to Auswitz fits the action perfectly. I hope when they that they will think about what happened there and feel the horror of what those people went through. I am not Jewish, but I did nanny for a Jewish family. I can only IMAGINE how revolted and offended they would be if they were at a party where someone came in wearing that costume. We really need to be more sensitive to each other. If our own life is so valuable, then our neighbor's life is just as valuable as our own. So much contention and strife could be alleviated from this world if only people would watch their actions and words.

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I am going to go off on a little tangent here.

Remember that Prince Harry is a young man. Yes, he has had various school lessons in history and cultures, but until he experiences some things, those lessons are just that, school lessons.

But he is part of a political family. He has to be aware of current events. And, over the last two or three years, one of the often repeated comparisons in the political world, not only in the US, but in Europe, has been the idea that Bush = Hitler. So many leftists around the world have made this comparison, that it has become almost an axiom on the left.

But, when young people look at Bush, what has he done that is so terrible? He has encouraged and signed a law that could end up in an attack on personal liberty. He has sent troops into two countries. One of those countries has had its first free election in its history. The other is about to have its first in over half a century. He has expressed support for some ideas, that if they had been presented 45 years ago (which they were) they would have been considered the noblest of Democratic (liberal) principles (which they were, when presented by John F. Kennedy). He has sought to reduce taxes, and make government a little more restrained in its actions.

This is in sharp contrast to what Hitler and the National Socialist Party sought successfully to do, which included suspension of all sorts of individual rights and liberty, the total elimination of the right to bear arms, right to freedom of speech and assembly. They also instigated a reign of terror that ended up in the murders of about 10 million individuals. He did NOT help any country to improve itself, or to have any sort of freedoms. He did NOT encourage the establishment of democratic institutions. He did NOT establish infrastructures for any country that he invaded.

So, Harry, among millions of other young people, keep hearing this comparison. They see that Bush isn't really horrible. They see a man who is trying to do the best he can according to his standards and philosophy. Yet the people that they admire on the Left keep telling them that he is Hitler.

What do they learn from this? They probably get the feeling that all the things they have heard about Hitler might be exagerations as well. So, they decide that the Nazis probably weren't all that bad. They are "boogiemen", used to scare children. Perfect subjects for a costume party.

Yes, I think that a trip to Auschwitz will be a good thing for him. That is one of my big regrets about the time I lived in Europe - that I never got to go to Dachau or Auschwitz. I have seen pictures of them. But I understand that the reality is much more powerful. Perhaps he will really learn some of the lessons. At the moment, he has probably only learned the simple lesson - that people WON'T put up with others dressing up as Nazis.

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I also think he should have known better, but then again, he probably just acted this way draw attention to himself. Being young is, at least in my opinion no excuse for the way he acted. The "punishment" was suitable.

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I visited Dachau last year. It was a incredibly sobering experience as to what people are truly capable of - and Dachau was "Club Med" compared to some of the other camps!.

If this this the worst thing that happens in Harry's life, then he has truly been charmed. Being forced to experience a very valuable piece of world history, most should be so lucky.

Will he learn from the experience? Most definitely! Will it stop him from making bad choices in life? Probably not, but if Dad does nothing, then the answer is certain.

Just a thought,

Vincenzo

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Prince Harry began his military career this Sunday carrying on a prestigious tradition in the Royal Family. Here is the full write-up from FoxNews.com

https://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155868,00.html

Reportedly, bookies in England, and elsewhere, are already taking bets on whether Harry would be able to complete his training, which is scheduled to last about 44 weeks. Honestly, when it comes to the Royal family and the British tabloids, none of them can get a break! I just hope he does not give the media more fuel for the fire and that his training is boring and uneventful.