I think that so long the state is accountable and all actions have ,'transparent,' objectives and procedures, which is to say that the state needs to be monitored through trustworthy means, then these legislative ammendments or clauses can be extremely useful for protection of an individual's right to live free from tyranny and oppression.
To me both legislations are similar, but accountability in the case of the Nazis was always a different issue to accountabilty of the White House.
From the standpoint of a demographic, all these legislations mean is more literate means of defending themselves from wrongful persecutions or condemnation. Along with reasonable accountability, that is proof of crimes or intent etc., these legislation can be quite welcome and acceptable means for keeping peaceful freedoms intact.
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This isn't a case of the state being monitored, this is a case of the state monitoring us and being "trustworthy" is really relative.
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Hey DarkScribe....You think you up for monitoring the state? If you're corrupt someone's just going to have to wipe the street with your face on international news.
Don't take that personally it just goes for all unjust authoratarian figures and bodies.
Oh and the state can monitor me anytime..I must be accustomed since I've been under observation allot for life threatening situations, but that's just me, plus I've been in several mental institutions so it's just like a cup of tea for me now.
In any case the state needs to be monitored for anything that it does, even the exchange rate, or the extra marila affairs of the members....it's all good.
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America has to make up her mind. You want protection, you want to get the terrorists before they get you? Then it requires laws that enable the authorities to do that! Americans can't make up their minds when it comes to national security.
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"Whenever justice is uncertain and police spying and terror are at work, human beings fall into isolation, which, of course, is the aim and purpose of the dictator state, since it is based on the greatest possible accumulation of depotentiated social units." -- Carl Gustav Jung - (1875-1961) Source: The Undiscovered Self, 1957
Obama Administration Seeks Renewal of Three Key Parts of PATRIOT Act
The administration has asked lawmakers to extend powers allowing the government to collect a wide range of financial and personal records, as well as monitor suspects with roving wiretaps. The methods were authorized under the USA PATRIOT Act and are set to expire at year's end. The call for renewing the PATRIOT Act provisions comes as Democratic lawmakers and civil liberties groups want to revisit its broader powers. Democratic Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin has proposed a new bill that would overhaul the PATRIOT Act and other surveillance laws to include more privacy safeguards. Ref. Source 4
Supreme Court to Take Up PATRIOT Act with Review of Case on Humanitarian Assistance to Groups on Terror List
In its first-ever review of the PATRIOT Act, the Supreme Court has announced it will decide the constitutionality of a controversial anti-terrorism law that makes it a crime to give any form of aid, including humanitarian assistance, to groups on the State Department's list of foreign terrorist organizations. The Supreme Court case centers on a lawsuit filed by the Center for Constitutional Rights on behalf of the Humanitarian Law Project. We speak to David Cole, a Georgetown University law professor and attorney in the case. Ref. Source 6
"One of the things that bothers me most is the growing belief in the country that security is more important than freedom. It ain't."
-- Lyn Nofziger [Franklyn C. Nofziger] Press Secretary for President Reagan