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No Brick, it's called separating opinion - Page 4 - Mormon Doctrine Studies - Posted: 21st May, 2014 - 3:28am

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Post Date: 17th May, 2014 - 1:37am / Post ID: #

LDS Beliefs About Adam - & Eve - Page 4

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"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken--HE is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do". (This can be found in "Journal of Discourses" 1:50,51--sermon by Brigham Young)


I am not a Mormon, but do have a question regarding doctrine. The above quote from Brigham young states that Adam came into the garden and was Michael the Archangel. He then states that Adam is "our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do". So, Brigham Young is teaching that Adam was once an archangel who came to the earth, and then, through Adam, then became the God of this earth.

My question is---do Mormons believe this today? If so, why?--how can Adam be God? And if not, how can you continue to call Brigham young a prophet if he was teaching false or unaccepted doctrine? Hopefully you can address this because it is from "Journal of Discourses". This is a real question---I am very curious as to what the answer will be.

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Post Date: 17th May, 2014 - 11:08pm / Post ID: #

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Brick, some believe it some have probably never heard of it, it is a very difficult doctrine to understand, milk before meat.

18th May, 2014 - 10:15pm / Post ID: #

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Brick, I know you're reading a quote from the JOD, I would suggest you to go online and read more about it because clearly Brigham Young later on around the same pages talk of Adam and God as two DIFFERENT individuals (I could look for the quotes but I trust you will find it yourself wink.gif )



Post Date: 19th May, 2014 - 12:09am / Post ID: #

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So before Adam was to die, he called all his children before him. He gave them one last blessing. During this event, Jesus Christ appears and calls Adam the Head of nations, and prince over them forever.
Now, sense you seem to have copy of this talk by Brigham Young (I'm going to assume you have done more research then just copy and paste) if you read Brigham young's full talk with this scripture in mind that Adam is really the head of Human race, or really the FATHER of human race. You well understand better what Brigham Young was saying.
Would I use the term God to describe Adam, probably not, but during Brigham Young's time I can see him using it. How High up Adam truly is, using the term God isn't that far fetches when we realize our relationship to Adam.
This does not mean Adam IS God, its means he is like a God to us, (We are depended on him because he is the father of the human race, and a prince over us).

I think Brigham Young understood this relationship better (Being a prophet) then any of us could completely understand.
Read the rest of the talk and you well understand where Brigham Young was coming from.

Post Date: 19th May, 2014 - 7:51pm / Post ID: #

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Comments: Happy, thanks - I did go on line. It appears that Brigham Young and Joseph Smith both at one time taught that Adam is now the God of this planet. And that Jesus Christ is Adam's son.

19th May, 2014 - 8:51pm / Post ID: #

LDS Beliefs About Adam - & Eve

That's [a good example of] why the Journal of Discourses is not considered official LDS doctrine.



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Post Date: 21st May, 2014 - 1:28am / Post ID: #

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Name: Brick
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Comments: I can understand why. If you have "prophet's" stating things that the church later disagrees with, you better not consider it part of the official doctrine. wink.gif

21st May, 2014 - 3:28am / Post ID: #

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No Brick, it's called separating opinion from doctrine. [You see at the end of the day ] Prophets are MEN.



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