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Thanks for the tip JB....

Cookie, Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...


There is no need to apologise, I value your opinion and think its great we can have this discussion. oh and please... ;; I was never good at Math or Science either... But you have to admit that Most Indians value education very highly.

You also have to admit that most Indians didn't work in the Public sector and many did start businesses, but today people have gone in many directions, there are always some truth to a stereotype.

I my opinion I would have to agree with you and say that culture does play a part for some of the women who put up with these type of crimes... I really can't relate to that woman who would choose to stay in that relationship, not to be insensitive she does seem mental but calling her crazy would not help her.

... Now Saying That...

As you may know In the History of Indians it was considered a sign of maturity by both parties to beat your wife if she was deemed out of line. I would also comment that this is certainly not a Tradition which was passed on. Indians do frown upon violent behavior but the problems is they tend to disassociate themselves from it very quickly. Instead of standing up and saying that this is wrong.

But I have to admit that I feel the real problem which contributes to Domestic Violence can be blamed greatly on the Social Environment which exit today In Trinidad. Drugs has a huge impact in a society where the blue collar working class, with minimal education and a society which seems to have abandon them have the highest occurences.

I think the Violent Crimes which is having an enormous impact on everyone and I have to say violence perpetuate itself. The people who are affected by the sugar industry going bust feels cheated and can bring resentment, the closing of caroni angered many Indians in Trinidad who saw it as the only source of income. I do believe there were other avenues they should have considered.

The Government is not doing anything about the social issues with is blossoming so to speak in Trinidad and so many Indians are being killed not to say other communities are not affected but you can't deny who the Majority of the victims are. I think the society is failing because of the governments inability do come to the aid of their citizens.

With all this pressure and the limitations put on the opportunities which confines the working class, can severely affect them in a negative way. Drugs and Alcohol plays and enormous impact on the occurance of Domestic Violence and Indians drink to much.

Think about it, we are talking about seriously injuring someone or even killing them, is it that easy to kill or hurt someone, or is it a point where all reasoning of right and wrong doesn't seem to matter. You cannot disagree that the are not aware of right and wrong.

I really do think that Domestic Violence has increase severely in the past few year so to say it hasn't been this bad, but not to say it was good either but way less frequent.

Issues are constantly overlooked and a failure in the past to educate those women who find themselves in abusive relationships and unable to find the courage to leave. I think we constantly over look the issues of society and today it has reached a breaking point with all the other compounding factors.

I don't want to come off like I am an advocate, anyone who commits a crime needs face the consequences and I also think the consequences are way to lenient.

With all that said...

I do know what you were talking about with breaking out your father from is old world style mentality. At least it is possible, I think you may have something to write about, may inspire a few others. And I do think that the older generations is set in their ways about their beliefs.

And I do admit that Indian men even some of the young ones are very close minded in their approach. And they are spoiled, but I hope that we don't give up on them. Like your father, I believe that we can grow as human beings and find some way to put our ignorances and not be influence by fear.

Sonja, it would be certainly nice if you could elaborate on what you were talking about in your post, I would definitely like to see things from your perspective or atleast the concerns of Indian women and maybe your strong opinions can be a good influence to people around you.

Edited: Trini808 on 7th Nov, 2006 - 5:06am

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Don't take it personal but do you realize that most of the crimes you read in the newspapers of men killing their wives and kids and then killing themselves are East Indians? They seem to be people with strong emotions to reach such stage, so I am not really sure to go as far as say that Indians frown upon violent behavior.

In order for me not to go offtopic, let me say that I know this East Indian family who have 3 kids. The father has anger management issues. He becomes verbally abusive if he does not get his food on time, if he does not get enough sleep, etc (I hope nobody denies that a lot of men in Trinidad behave this way, there is even a commercial of Happy corned-beef portraying what I am saying to perfection) but what's the wife reaction? She stands by "her man" in few words, despite the fact that they have a child who is constantly crying and asking for help to others because she cannot stand the abuse anymore.

The most interesting thing in my opinion as an observer, is that a lot of these women portrait the role of "independent women" who work and say that they don't need anything from men yet they allow their "men" to cheat, abuse them and basically treat them like dogs.

Edited: LDS_forever on 20th Nov, 2006 - 4:34pm

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Today on the news they were saying that there are more local teenage girls with AIDS today than ever before. I am not surprised by it, but definitely saddened. Trini girls, especially those of you who feel that you know better than everyone else, stop, think and then act according to how you would want to be in the future - hopefully that is healthy and free of encumbrances and regrets.

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JB, I had students in the past who openly tell you that they want to be porn stars and I am not kidding and they were not either. I heard them saying they love sex and they are willing to do whatever it takes.

On another note, I saw in the newspaper how this guy was having an argument with a woman (I suppose a girlfriend) in a car park in a supermarket. The woman walked away, he chased her and throw her through an eight-foot-high glass. She had some injuries, the shoppers took the man and locked him in the bakery and what was the response of the woman? She begged for the man: "Please let him go. It's okay" I tell you, some women seem like they born without brains.

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I think most of them act out of fear, she was probably very concerned about what would happen to her after if she did not come to his aide. Sadly, our social services and law enforcement do not give women in difficult situations any help, so in the end they feel they have to 'play stupid' to survive. It is a wretched situation.

Speaking of porn stars. While walking the street I cam across a tall model quality local woman and I immediately thought she would be ideal for some online presentations. I asked if she had ever thought about modeling. She said she had an interview for a modeling job only a few days ago, but they wanted her to do more than simply pose for the camera, so she left. Thankfully, there are some smart Trini women among us.

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What I notice about watching women in this country

Some of the women I know are very independent. However, I know that they all need a man - not in the "since you femaley you need a man to give you sex and make you happy" way, but in the complementing each other way. Ref. Source 4

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Comments: With regards to Cookie I think that she is being too " general " in her way of thinking. I do admit that some traditional East Indian families both in the past and present place a significant value upon their males, due to the fact that in this particular culture males were traditionally seen as " breadwinners" and thus males were seen as quite important members of the family.
However,in contemporary society I do think that both East Indian males and females are regarded very highly and in some cases the females are regarded more highly. For example, if you look at the significant number of east Indian females accessing tertiary education in universities and colleges are even higher than males. Many persons may argue that females try harder than males academically, which may or may not be true, but a significant factor is that many east Indian families value their females and want them to achieve great success in life, thus making sacrifices to educate them. It is observed that many east Indian females based on traditional viewpoints and family life stereotype east Indian males and east Indian family life as being dominating and shy away from this culture and use these excuses to try to become like females that belong to other north American cultures and adopt similar lifestyles.

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Comments: For some reason this seems to be specifically about Indo / Trini men? Am I right or not? I'm trying my best to add something of value. Well as an Indo male (Trini) I can honestly say what Cookie is saying is correct to an extent when dealing with Indo males. However, it is nice to keep in mind that not ALL Indo males are Purely of East Indian decent. There are alot of Mixed and by mixed I mean Indo / Afro / Spanish males etc.

My female members of family have been raised to an extent to have more respect for men. I am pleased to say that because of life experiences their views have changed and they now subscribe to treating all sexes with the same level of respect. I am of mixed decent (Indo /Spanish) my girlfriend and I are both bosses in our relationship. I help her cook / clean / wash. I will admit it wasn't always like this, she brought foward a lot of logical reasons as to why she will not be held in a higher or lower state in our relationship. I have a lot of Afro Trini male friends and I will say to you they they do heckle me when I tell them it is my turn to wash. But I don't mind because when I'm ill my girlfriend is there for me and she takes care of me. She is of East Indian decent..

But from what I know Afro male Trinis and Indo male Trinis are entirely different. My experience thus far has taught me that it is not much of a problem if an Afro Trini male has 5 children with 3 different women. An Indo Trini culture that is frowned upon. You marry and make kids with the same woman, that is the more common practice. But to each his own.

However I do not like how Trini men have now pushed it down the throats that it is ok to cheat or "horn" that I DO NOT agree with at all. Women esp Trini women are amazingly beautiful & smart. They are witty, kind hearted but sometimes they are their own worst enemies. Too much [..] This I think Trini women need to stop. If a man cheats on you HE is wrong as well. Let him know it. [..]

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