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If I like to hang out more with men than I do with women does that make me Gay? No, it does not, the difference as I said before has to do with the element of being 'turned on' or sexual attraction |
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is there such a thing as 'Masturbating Mormon' or 'Lustful Mormon'? My point is why the need to differentiate his sexual interests? Why the need to give an adjective to the whole affair? |
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there is, in my opinion, a huge difference between someone who thinks he might be a homosexual, experiencing certain urges and desires, and one who has decided that he is "gay", and makes that his identifying characteristic. |
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But both of them are homosexual, both of them are gay. There is no difference about it. |
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My point is why the need to differentiate his sexual interests? Why the need to give an adjective to the whole affair? |
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The difference is in how they have decided to deal with it - what they have decided to become. The one who proclaims that he is "gay" now takes upon himself the attitudes, including the rebellion. The one who is struggling is still seeking to submit and be obedient. |
The point I am getting that is exactly what Nighthawk stated when he said,
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The difference is in how they have decided to deal with it - what they have decided to become. |
Nighthawk hit it right on the money. In my opinion, the label "gay" has a completely different connotation to it than "homosexual." Having homosexual tendencies or attractions is not the same as accepting and embracing the lifestyle, which is what the "gay" attitude is. I've known many different homosexuals, male and female, and they are not all "gays" or "lesbians." Most of them you would never even think of them as homosexual, because they have chosen not to develop the attitude or live that way. The new fellow at my office is the first "gay" person I've met within the church -- although he may be celibate, he is flamboyantly "gay," with the walk, the talk, and the gestures of that attitude.
ALONE IN THE FOLD: MANY LDS GAYS STRUGGLE TO CLING TO FAITH DESPITE THEIR YEARNINGS
Ty Mansfield and Stuart Matis never met, but they were brothers in church and in spirit. They held to the iron rod of their faith and successfully completed LDS missions.
Ref. https://deseretnews.com
I found this great interview of Elder Oaks and Elder Wickman done by the Public Churc affairs, very specific, very detailed about homosexuality and the position of the Church about it. I highly recommend it...just an excerpt of it:
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PUBLIC AFFAIRS: Let's say my 17-year-old son comes to talk to me and, after a great deal of difficulty trying to get it out, tells me that he believes that he's attracted to men - that he has no interest and never has had any interest in girls. He believes he's probably gay. He says that he's tried to suppress these feelings. He's remained celibate, but he realizes that his feelings are going to be devastating to the family because we"ve always talked about his Church mission, about his temple marriage and all those kinds of things. He just feels he can't live what he thinks is a lie any longer, and so he comes in this very upset and depressed manner. What do I tell him as a parent? ELDER OAKS: You"re my son. You will always be my son, and I"ll always be there to help you.... |
Pressuring Gays to Take Up Heterosexual Life
Truth Wins Out's new video was released on YouTube and featured a Mormon couple, Barbara and Lester Leavitt, who are ending their marriage after 25 years and having raised four children together. Although Lester always knew he was gay, his church and society sent the message that homosexuality was just a phase that could be overcome through marriage. He fought mightily to be the perfect husband and father, but two years ago he could no longer live a lie and came out to his family. While Barbara was shocked by this revelation, she always knew deep down that her husband was harboring a secret. She now believes that attempts to coerce or pressure gay people into marriage destroys families in the name of family values and is unfair to the unsuspecting spouse.
Ref. https://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories....04528020&EDATE=