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Poll: Does a marriage without the attempt of haveing children go against God's will?
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Post Date: 10th Dec, 2005 - 2:24am / Post ID: #

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One could also argue, though, that for some people it is better to not have children. Say, for instance, somebody has a history of abusing children. Would they be going against God's will to bring another child for them to hurt? Some people are not meant to be parents, and that is just it.

I don't think it necessarily goes against God's will exactly, but I do think he desires us to have children. Children are our world's future, and the Bible does speak of multiplying.

Everybody has a different calling in their life, and just with other instructions in the Bible, pertain to everybody in a different manner. A person may be called to be a teacher and dedicate his or her life serving for hundreds of other children for God, but may not be able to dedicate themselves to serving that purpose while trying to perform the tasks of being mother or father.

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10th Dec, 2005 - 1:00pm / Post ID: #

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Say, for instance, somebody has a history of abusing children. Would they be going against God's will to bring another child for them to hurt? Some people are not meant to be parents, and that is just it.


Well, I quiet do not agree with this statement. I think every one of us has the ability and the potential to become good parents, if someone has a history of abusing children probably they have been abused themselves while they were children, they should get the proper treatment needed. I have seen people like you described (that abused their own children) that after much professional treatment and a change of heart, they have become a totally different person and they have treated their family with lots of love and respect. I have seen it. There is hope for everyone.


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I don't think it necessarily goes against God's will exactly, but I do think he desires us to have children.


Do you believe that when God told Adam and Eve to "multiply and replenish the earth" wasn't a commandment?. By reading that specific verse, it is my impression that he is commanding them to do something rather than just wishing they do it.

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A person may be called to be a teacher and dedicate his or her life serving for hundreds of other children for God, but may not be able to dedicate themselves to serving that purpose while trying to perform the tasks of being mother or father.


A nun in a catholic school I used to work for told me the same thing but I disagree. Although I think the work they do is wonderful and worth of admiration, it cannot be compared and it is not more important than the experience of getting married and having children of your own to teach correct principles, after all, that's what God commanded from the begining of the Earth. The Family is the most important foundation on this world, when you failed to form one of your own because of your own free choice then it goes against God's will and no matter how many wonderful things you can do in life, will never be the same. In my humble opinion, of course.



Post Date: 10th Dec, 2005 - 5:35pm / Post ID: #

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The Bible does commend, not command, a life of celebacy.

1 Corinthians 7: 8 "But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I."

Paul was speaking. I do believe some of Jesus' disciples never had children. Were they, God's chosen men, going against His will by dedicating their lives to Him?

Post Date: 10th Dec, 2005 - 6:15pm / Post ID: #

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I think allot of this is taken out of the context which seems to me to be obviously implied. Adam and Eve were commanded to be fruitful and multiply because according to scripture, they were the only two people on earth. If they had not followed that commandment, then the earth would not be populated. In context, I do not look at it like a command because there are no stated consequences involved. The consequences would have been implied and understood. If you don't populate the world, humanity will not exist when you die.

Today, there are more than enough people on the planet to keep humanity going. Not every married couple has to have kids to keep the population going. The 'command' was valid for the purposes of expanding the human population. However, if every single married couple followed the statement and multiplied, we could quickly run out of space here.

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mul·ti·ply1    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (mlt-pl)
v. mul·ti·plied, mul·ti·ply·ing, mul·ti·plies
v. tr.
To increase the amount, number, or degree of.
Mathematics. To perform multiplication on.

v. intr.
To grow in amount, number, or degree. See Synonyms at increase.
To breed or propagate.
Mathematics. To perform multiplication.


We could literally double our population nearly ever ten years or sooner. It would be a biological and economical disaster. I believe that this command was designed for one purpose and it has long since fulfilled the spirit of the command. I however, have three kids and want more, so this doesn't really apply to me! biggrin.gif

12th Dec, 2005 - 8:09am / Post ID: #

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That's just it, God does not think as man thinks.

You're right, man is a linear being, our life is measured in standards of time. God is not a linear being, but in order to communicate with man, he has to make himself understood by man.
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It is not up to us to 'think' but to do as he commands.

Exactly, and if you go by the Christian God, then He gave us the 10 commandments, of which having children is not one of them.

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God is unchanging and is the same yesterday, today and forever

Once again you are right, God is not linear, his life is not measured by standards of time.

Offtopic but,
And LDS, with all due respect, I believe Gods commandments do not hold the same status. God sent men to war and told them they would win as long as certain conditions were met. This clearly violates "Thou shall not kill" yet it was God's will. You have the 10 Commandments, and then the 7 deadly sins. And then there's suicide, which is the only unforgivable sin.

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otherwise, we will need straight and personal revelation from God to each one of us by name every time he wants to command us in something

Offtopic but,
I like to think that when I pray God speaks to me personally.


Now just to clear the air, I do want kids, I believe it is Gods will, but what good is a debate if there are no opposing viewpoints.



13th Dec, 2005 - 10:54pm / Post ID: #

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Firstly, there are many topics here that interest me, and of course this is one that I track more than others as I'm often intrigued by the reasons / excuses given to not show the divine purpose and command in the rearing of children by "multiplying and replenishing the earth". So I do apologize if I am at first appearance a bit hostile or should I say aggressive about the topic, it is not my intention and I am in fact writing this quite calmly.

Tastanagee, I am not sure what your stand is or should I say what you are trying to gain by stating I am right, but yet showing opposition without grounds, quotes or references or even stating, "In my opinion...".

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Exactly, and if you go by the Christian God, then He gave us the 10 commandments, of which having children is not one of them.

I am sorry, but to consider that the Ten Commandments as the only commands given by God is to show a lack of reading of the scriptures, in this case the Bible, but I will once again remind you that this is not the Bible Revealed Board.

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Now just to clear the air, I do want kids, I believe it is Gods will, but what good is a debate if there are no opposing viewpoints.

Sure, but that is only as good as much as it is Constructive or in other words, is backed up with some kind of reference, quote, or "In my opinion...".

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The 'command' was valid for the purposes of expanding the human population. However, if every single married couple followed the statement and multiplied, we could quickly run out of space here.

I believe that can fall into the context of if everyone went to Church, or if everyone believed in God, or if we all did obey the Sabbath, or if we all... I am sure you get my point. God commands, He does not give options, He commands and we make options for ourselves based on our current agency to chose. I believe based on written text (Bible firstly, then Quran and others) and it is also my belief that what has been said centuries ago to our first parents by God Himself is still in full force today and someone in this thread is yet to show any proof otherwise by means of reference to where He stated it has been rescinded or fulfilled, and they should do so in a fashion other than stating opinions and "I think...". One is of course still free to state their opinion, but it must be shown that is just their opinion, since it has no backing and cannot be taken as 'it was meant for them not us'.



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16th Oct, 2007 - 10:08pm / Post ID: #

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QUOTE (Tastanagee @ 6-Dec 05, 8:52 AM)
I don't know for sure but even though he told early man to be fruitful and multiply I don't think it is valid today.

Of course it's still a valid commandment today!

You can't just pick and choose which commandments are valid and which ones we should choose to ignore!

In my opinion, God doesn't make mistakes, and therefore wouldn't have set this commandment down unless he wanted us all to obey it.



16th Oct, 2007 - 11:32pm / Post ID: #

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People that Believe in God should definitely multiply and replenish the earth. It is through God's people that the Nations are blessed.

Gen. 26: 4, 24

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4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;


I am not Catholic but I admire Pope Benedict and his thoughts on this subject.
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Europe has become child-poor, We want everything for ourselves and place little trust in the future.


God wants us to bring more children into the world. He would have rescinded his previous commandment if this were not so.

Rather off topic, but...

Some would argue that there is actually a Population Implosion (decrease) occurring in the western World. More people will be dying off then are being born.



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