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Can God Travel Time - Mormon Doctrine Studies - Posted: 15th Mar, 2009 - 10:16pm
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Can God Travel Through Time?
Do you personally believe that God can travel through time?
Is there any scriptural evidence or writings that would indicate God's ability to Travel in time?
1. Can he meet his previous or future self?
2. If he can travel through time, is he a passive observer (all things are before him), or can he actively participate in the different timelines?
3. If God has this power, can he give this power to others for his purposes (namely angels and heavenly messengers)?
4 Is eternal time linear (can only go one way) and or circular where previous and future times can be visited.
5 If God travels through time, is there really a "present" for him, or are all times present to him.
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Post Date: 6th Mar, 2009 - 10:34pm / Post ID: #
Time Travel God Can
| QUOTE (dbackers @ 6-Mar 09, 9:28 PM) |
| Do you personally believe that God can travel through time? Is there any scriptural evidence or writings that would indicate God's ability to Travel in time? |
I'm not too sure on this topic. But I am sure that with God nothing is impossible. I do think that time does only goes forward not back. This one of the flaws of Men. We measure time, God Doesn't. I do not think that he could go and see his future self.
Job 9:11
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| 11 Lo, he goeth by me, and I see him not: he passeth on also, but I perceive him not. |
If God went to see his future self, it would be the same as he was then. According to this Scripture found in Hebrews 13:8
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| 8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. |
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The biggest thing here is you are assuming that God's time is the same as Man's time.
If God's time is the same as Mans time then God would need to be able to move forward and back. He is limited to the days and hours and weeks.
But more God doesn't have time, at least not like we do. God sees all things together.
So there is no way for God to "Travel" through Time because he doesn't need to. God sees the creation and the end of the world at the same time (and everything in between).
The Institute manual for D&C 130:4-7 teaches this
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Several scriptures suggest that the way we perceive time on earth may not be the way time really is throughout the universe. Alma 40:8 suggests that only men measure time and that to God all time is as one day. Other scriptures suggest that all things are present before the Lord (see D&C 38:2; Moses 1:6). Verses 4-7 in section 130 suggest a similar concept, namely that past, present, and future are continually before the Lord and that time is relative to the planet on which one resides. In the twentieth century, the field of physics began to speak about time and space in a way that may help explain these revelatory statements. Albert Einstein, in the early part of this century, developed what is known as the theory of relativity. Einstein postulated that what men had assumed were absolutes in the physical world-space, gravity, speed, motion, time-were not absolutes at all but were interrelated with each other. That is why the theory was called the theory of relativity. Physicists now agree that a person's time reference will vary depending on his relative position in space. According to Einstein's theory, if a body moves at very fast speeds (those approaching the speed of light, which is 186,000 miles per second), that body's time slows down in relation to the time of a body that is on earth; and for the body in motion, space contracts or shrinks. In other words, time and space are not two separate things but are interrelated. Physicists refer to this as the space-time continuum. If an astronaut were to journey out into space at speeds approaching the speed of light, though to himself all would seem perfectly normal, to someone on earth it would appear as though his clock were ticking slower, his heart were beating slower, his metabolism operating slower, and so on. He would actually age more slowly than would a person who remained on the earth. Though the finite mind tends to reject such concepts, Einstein's theory suggests that reality to us is a product of our relative position in the space-time continuum. According to this theory, if a being achieved the speed of light, to that being all space would contract to the point that it would be "here" for him, and all time would slow down until it became "now" for him. The theory of relativity thus may suggest how, for a being of light and glory like God, all space and all time could be present. As difficult as such a concept is to understand, increasingly sophisticated experiments continue to substantiate Einstein's theoretical description of the realities of the universe. Lael Woodbury, dean of the College of Fine Arts and Communications at Brigham Young University, talked about man's perception of time and God's perception of time in an address sponsored by the Church Educational System: "The evidence suggests that God . . . Perceives time as we perceive space. That's why "all things are before him, and all things are round about him; and he is above all things, and in all things, and is through all things, and is round about all things" [D&C 88:41]. Time, like space, is "continually before the Lord." . . . ". . . Right now we perceive music in time as a blind man perceives form in space-sequentially. He explores with his fingers, noting form, texture, contours, rhythms. He holds each perception in his mind, one by one, carefully adding one to the other, until he synthesizes his concept of what that space object must be like. You and I don't do that. We perceive a space object immediately. We simply look at it, and to a certain degree we "know it. We do [not] go through a one-by-one, sequential, additive process. We perceive that it is, and we are able to distinguish it from any other object. "I"m suggesting that God perceives time as instantaneously as we perceive space. For us, time is difficult. Lacking higher facility, we are as blind about time as a sightless man is about space. We perceive time in the same way that we perceive music-sequentially. We explore rhythm, pitch, amplitude, texture, theme, harmonies, parallels, and contrasts. And from our perceptions we synthesize our concept of the object or event-the musical artwork-that existed in its entirety before we began our examination of it. "Equally complete now is each of our lives before the Lord. We explore them sequentially because we are time-blind. But the Lord, perceiving time as space, sees us as we are, not as we are becoming. We are, for him, beings without time. We are continually before him-the totality of our psyches, personalities, bodies, choices, and behaviors." (Continually before the Lord, Commissioner's Lecture Series [Provo: Brigham Young University Press, 1974], pp. 5-6.) Einstein's theory is only a theory, although it is being substantiated again and again as a valid representation of reality. How God operates through the vastness of space and the eternity of time has not been revealed in specific detail, but what information man has been given can be harmonized with what physicists are discovering about the interrelationship of space and time. D& C |
So if God saw our Time as everything on a table, he could see any point in time and know what is happening.
Edited: tubaloth on 7th Mar, 2009 - 10:33pmTime Travel God Can
I like what tubaloth said. If you try to measure Heavenly Father by the standards of men then it just will not add up or maybe I should say it won't make any sense because its like a fourth grader trying to understand the math required to make the space shuttle blast off into space.
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