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Did you read through from the start of this Thread? It is often necessary to make a substantive reply and your statement above goes in line with exactly what we have been talking about:

1. What insults and what does not? Anyone can claim something insults and if the media gives in to it they would end up publishing nothing.

2. Why does the Arab world not think it insulting when they make fun of Jewish or Christian symbols?

Have a read through and then return here with a answer that is not just based on opinion alone. Now, please note: I do not support making fun of anyone's religion, I do think it is disrespectful on the grounds that you are:

A. Attacking someone who already passed away many years ago

B. Is held sacred by large world population

However, at the same time does it justify killing people and burning buildings? Not at all.

Muhammad Prophet

Moh said:

We do not have to imagine this because it happened already. After all this controversy, they made several cartoons mocking the Jews and the Holocaust. In one of the cartoons, they show Hitler in bed with Anna Frank, and two others are about the Holocaust denial (something commonly seen in Islamic newspapers).

It's interesting the reaction, they got very upset because of the cartoons about Prophet Muhammad, yet the response is making fun of other's suffering?

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Sorry about that admin (old habit) .

When they picture him with a bomb on his head then I think that this is an obvious insult specially in a time like this that a lot of people think that muslims are terrorist, this isn't helping their situation (I would know, I'm living in New Zealand) and there is a lot of thing to publish that aren't insulting and constructive.

I cant recall seeing one of those because there is a few christians and jews in the middle east if something like that happens then it could cause a lot of trouble and if it did happen I don't support that either and as you said Arab world not Muslim.

I never said it was right but what I meant was if freedom of speech didn't apply there then all religions should be treated the same way.

I didn't mean it as a justification, I meant it as an explanation. And thats what happens when some thugs join these protests but what most Imams in Syria, Egypt and other countries believed in is that it should be solved through conversation and in fact then sent some muslim Imams from these countries to Denmark.

I remember a while back a british writer was going to jail in Austria because of a lecture gave over there and as I said above I don't recall a cartoon mocking jews or christians being published in the news papers and if it did thats not what islam tells us, thats just a few bad people why do you take it as if they represent all muslims.

I really didn't mean to offend anyone I was just using it as an example, my apologies for that again.

I hope that I answered most of your questions without breaking any of the rules, sorry about that again as I'm fairly new to these forums.

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Those types of cartoons, and much worse, are published about Jews, Christians, and all other religions - all the time.

Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iran are particularly horrific about the way that they portray Jews and Christians. I have, for example, seen many different cartoons perpetuating the disgusting Damascus Blood Libel. Similar disgusting cartoons are printed all over the place in the West. France is particularly bad for lampooning Jews.

Freedom of speech includes the fact that people are going to be insulting at times. They are going to be very rude and disrespectful. Those cartoonists are expressing their opinions.

I don't support the cartoons themselves. I am not a fan of that type of satire or expression. However, I fully support their right to create and publish those cartoons.

As far as I am concerned, those who violently protest these cartoons need to be severely punished. I couldn't care less about those who walked up and down streets chanting or waving signs. That is their right. But those who burned buildings or performed other acts of violence deserve to either enjoy violence against themselves, or spend a long time in prison. Preferably a Turkish or Saudi Arabian style prison with all their perks.

As for examples of the magnificent Arab/Muslim tradition of editorial cartoons, I refer you to this site:
https://www.pmw.org.il/home.htm

Spend some time browsing all the cartoons on the site. Very enlightening, although not very entertaining.

Muhammad Prophet

Moh several things you must understand some are off topic, some are about the Thread itself...

1. Discussion here is not about being offended, you have not offended anyone, this is a mature thinking Community, we are merely looking for backing in what anyone says.

2. Did you read the Thread in it's entirety as I said? If so, you would see many examples we gave of where the Arab world does make fun of Jewish Christian symbols and possibly others. My point in this is they have the attitude of "we can do it, but you can't" and this is wrong.

3.

Burning buildings and killing people for a newsprint is not an explanation, it is ignorance. There is not justifiable explanation for that. To protest is good, to stop buying the papers that publish these things is good, but to kill people can never be justified with any explanation. We are not talking about a mere one or two, we are talking about mobs of people all over the world reacting violently.

Offtopic but, 4. Now please read our Constructive Posting Policy. You must use the Spell Checker and start with an uppercase letter when posting here. You will notice your last two Messages were edited. Also, when quoting, you should put the name of the person you are quoting - this is also explained in the FAQ Board. Other than that we do appreciate your input and look forward to more of your arguments / debates over this and other subjects here.

Prophet Muhammad

The cartoon was made of the prophet Muhammad who is a prophet for muslims and not all muslims are arabs and not all arabs are muslims.

what I mean is that the double standard in Europe caused all this, it was like a last straw. For example in country like Holland they want to outlaw the Hijab (head scarf for women), isn't the least type of freedom is for a person to wear what he/she wants? My point is that they are all related, you can't separate those incidence.

About the violent protests some Imams were against them and in fact some of them went to Denmark to solve this problem through conversation.

That website you provided has the domain of .il which is the Israeli domain therefore it isn't an arab/muslim.

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I am aware of that, my point is that the Arab world does not say anything about it when in their own countries they publish satire about other religions, yet when a foreign land not within the Arab world publishes something about muslims or even Arabs in general the muslims kill and expect Arab governments to react about it. It is not merely religious here, I believe you are fooling yourself if you think it is solely based on religion - this is also about politics.

That is covered in another Topic within this Board look for it. It is not exactly related because there are more considerations to it but that is for the other Thread. To continue it here would be off topic.

Offtopic but, Moh, I implore you to read my off topic above, apparently you are missing a few things? If you feel you need help or confused then check your Intro Thread.

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You are right. It is a website in Israel. It gathers all sorts of news and information from the Palestinian Arabs, and includes information from other Arab/Muslim nations.

Are you unwilling to see what types of things Muslims have to say about Jews and Christians? Or is your problem that you think that anything that Jews or Christians have to report about Muslims must be fiction? Is it that if it comes from Israel it is already dismissed? Isn't that exactly what you oppose from the Jews, Christians, and others?

These are real cartoons, made by real Muslims, showing what they think about the US, Europe, Israel, Jews, Christians, and other subjects.