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Moh, I do not want to sound harsh but I think - Page 6 - Studies of Islam - Posted: 4th Jun, 2006 - 7:47pm
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Well Moh, you can see the cartoons for yourself since it seems like you have doubts about it:
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| The Iranian newspaper Hamshari daily has stated that it will publish anti-Semitic cartoons in response to the Danish Mohammad cartoons. The newspaper, owned by the Tehran city council, says that the anti-Semitic cartoons will lampoon the Holocaust, following denials by the Iranian government that the Holocaust even happened, and will show "America and Israel's crimes and plundering". The newspaper has launched an international competition to find the most suitable caricatures about the Holocaust. Farid Mortazavi, the paper's graphics editor, said to the Guardian newspaper that "The western papers printed these sacrilegious cartoons on the pretext of freedom of expression, so let's see if they mean what they say and also print these Holocaust cartoons." |
You can click on the following link and see the cartoons for yourself:
https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Hamshari_newsp...artoon_response
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Post Date: 3rd Jun, 2006 - 7:02pm / Post ID: #
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I have to agree with nighthawk and point out something else specific to western culture. We mock ALL religions because we have parts of ALL religions in our society. Arguing that someone sacred from your religion should not be mocked, with and LDS member, is like arguing with a brick wall.
As I'm sure nighthawk can tell you, the LDS church has been the point of numerous mockeries and criticisms including a very irreverent South Park episode with really defaced Joseph Smith, their founding prophet. However, no matter how wrong it was, or how inappropriate it may have been to LDS members, the episode aired. And you know what? Mormons are around the global marched in protest, burned buildings, and killed people in retaliation for this travesty against their most honored prophet?
No, none of that happened. NONE OF IT! People all over the world make fun of all kinds of religion, but only one of them feels that its OK to behave this way when it happens. That not even a good explanation of why it happened when its has already happened to other religions with out the same result. It doesn't happened because we feel the freedom to both express what we feel is funny and to allow it to happen. Its the ultimate freedom. Benjamin Franklin once wrote that "if your not offended on a daily basis, your probably not free!"
Post Date: 4th Jun, 2006 - 12:36am / Post ID: #
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| I am aware of that, my point is that the Arab world does not say anything about it when in their own countries they publish satire about other religions, yet when a foreign land not within the Arab world publishes something about muslims or even Arabs in general the muslims kill and expect Arab governments to react about it. It is not merely religious here, I believe you are fooling yourself if you think it is solely based on religion - this is also about politics. QUOTE For example in country like Holland they want to outlaw the Hijab (head scarf for women) That is covered in another Topic within this Board look for it. It is not exactly related because there are more considerations to it but that is for the other Thread. To continue it here would be off topic. |
Yes I know its not based only on religion because as I said you cant separate those incidence because they are all related and I didn't want to discuss it here I'm just saying that if the concept of freedom is to be applied on someone or something then it is for everyone.
All the casualties because were from protesters breaking the law, that means that these countries were trying to stop them.
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| Are you unwilling to see what types of things Muslims have to say about Jews and Christians? Or is your problem that you think that anything that Jews or Christians have to report about Muslims must be fiction? Is it that if it comes from Israel it is already dismissed? Isn't that exactly what you oppose from the Jews, Christians, and others? |
thats not what I mean, you said that it was an arab/muslim website, I was just correcting it.
I think you would get more correct and accurate information from a Muslim website that is moderate, not just any source. I suggest https://english.islamway.com/ , you will find more interesting stuff in there other than religion bashing.
To TRUE muslims they wouldn't make fun of Jesus or Moses because the Prophet Mohamed himself said that they were like brothers to him and that we have to respect them as much as we respect him, those aren't the teachings of Islam or Mohamed. Respecting them is part of the religion.
The links that you provided are about the holocaust which I know is a sensitive subject but that isn't the jewish religion itself.
Why do you only see the few people who act violently? that was in how many countries and from how many muslims?
As I said before that the majority want to solve this problem in peace and thats what the muslim community in Denmark wanted but unfortunate thats not what happened.
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| These are real cartoons, made by real Muslims, showing what they think about the US, Europe, Israel, Jews, Christians, and other subjects. |
It think that it is pretty obvious that those cartoons you are referring to are for political reasons due to whats happening today, I don't want to go off topic.
Edited: Moh on 4th Jun, 2006 - 1:05amPost Date: 4th Jun, 2006 - 2:27am / Post ID: #
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Moh Dear, this is what I think, if the cartoons offend you or any of your buddies then just don't buy the paper. It's as simple as that.
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| QUOTE (Moh @ 3-Jun 06, 8:36 PM) |
| It think that it is pretty obvious that those cartoons you are referring to are for political reasons due to whats happening today, I don't want to go off topic. |
That is the thing about this whole discussion. The cartoons in Denmark were political cartoons, expressing some peoples' thoughts about Muhammad, his teachings, and the religion that came from his teachings. And thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands, of people got all upset about it. Many, MANY demanded that the cartoonists be severely punished.
Yet, when much more horrible cartoons come out of Muslim countries, accusing all Jews of murdering Arab children, and using their blood to make pastries, who demands that those cartoonists be punished? How many Muslims call for a stop to that type of cartoon?
How about the cartoons that depict Jews as being "hook nosed", money grubbing, evil, Nazis, holding little Arab children as slaves? How about the Arab/Muslim cartoons and editorials that claim that there is no historical record of Jews ever having lived in Jerusalem?
It is a double standard. More and more people now see it, and it is hurting Muslims in public opinion.
Post Date: 4th Jun, 2006 - 3:33am / Post ID: #
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The cartoons I was referring to were the ones on the website that you mentioned above.
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| Yet, when much more horrible cartoons come out of Muslim countries, accusing all Jews of murdering Arab children, and using their blood to make pastries, who demands that those cartoonists be punished? How many Muslims call for a stop to that type of cartoon? How about the cartoons that depict Jews as being "hook nosed", money grubbing, evil, Nazis, holding little Arab children as slaves? How about the Arab/Muslim cartoons and editorials that claim that there is no historical record of Jews ever having lived in Jerusalem? |
I have noticed that you only get your information from one side.
Being a jew is just a religion not a nationality, you can get Russian, American, Europian jews so there is country where they come from, in other religions you get Egyptian, American, Europian christians there is no such thing as a "country for Christians and a country for Muslims".
About the cartoons of Jews killing Arab children I think these cartoons refer to Israelis killing Palestinian people, which I can see in real life, it isnt something fictional. The massacre in eg. Sabra, Shatela, Dair Yasin.
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Moh, I do not want to sound harsh but I think you're only seeing what you want to see. I understand some of your points but it does bothers me how you tried to defend a point about how bad those cartoons were for Muslims (which I fully respect and understand) yet you "justify" and "rationalize" the cartoons that were made about the Jews:
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| The links that you provided are about the holocaust which I know is a sensitive subject but that isn't the jewish religion itself. |
So? what is this supposed to mean? Is supposed to be right because it is not about the jewish religion itself? This is what I am talking about, an indirect way of justifying a terrible thing.
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| About the cartoons of Jews killing Arab children I think these cartoons refer to Israelis killing Palestinian people, which I can see in real life, it isnt something fictional. The massacre in eg. Sabra, Shatela, Dair Yasin. |
Again, double standards. Your opinion dictates that is not fictional. Other people think otherwise. The same with the cartoons about Muhammad, some people consider the whole religion as terrorists, others do not. Then why are you justifying what you perceive to be right or wrong if it is only a matter of opinion? It does not make any sense to me.
If a Muslims gets offended about something they considered sacred then they should remember also that other people have things they consider sacred too and they should respect it unless Muslims think they are the only ones entitled to receive respect and not given it.
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