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The God of Genesis impressed me as a kindly old gentleman that truly loved the people He led. He sat, or walked with them in the cool of evening, visiting face to face. When Eve gave Adam a bite of the apple, He didn't kill them. He just banished them from the garden. When Cain killed Abel, God did not kill Cain in anger. He told Cain he would be a fugitive and a wanderer. God walked with Noe, and warned him of the great flood.


Later

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...the Lord appeared to Abram, and said, "To your descendants I will give this land."

Again He appeared to Abram and said,
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"Walk in my presence and be perfect."

When He appeared to Isaac, it was to guide him away from Egypt, then He wrestled
all night with Isaac's son Jacob. When He talked to Moses, He used gentle phrases like,
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"Come, now! I will send you to Pharaoh."

When Moses doubted, God said,
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"I will be with you."

Then He offered proof. Long after the conversation started, Moses was still doubtful. But his God was extremely patient, and showed him how to turn his shepherds staff into a serpent, and back to a staff. After that, He gave Moses several more signs that he could use himself. But not until Moses doubted his own speaking ability, and asked God to send someone else, did God become angry. Even then, His anger was still just a patient, exasperated anger, so He told Moses to take his brother Aaron with him, because he was an eloquent speaker.


But as kind and gentle as this God was, He was not one to plan ahead. When they left Egypt, the Israelites traveled three days through the desert without water to a place called Mara. They couldn't drink the bitter water, so God pointed out a piece of wood that made the water sweet. God also forgot Israel had to eat, so he fed them manna. Again He forgot, and again Israel was left in the desert without water, so He told Moses to strike a rock, and water flowed.



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13th Jul, 2008 - 1:12pm / Post ID: #

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Though He was not careful about supplies of food and water, His laws were plentiful and very specific. He made laws regarding slaves, personal injury, property damage, loans, and fidelity, after He handed down the Ten Commandments. When all this had been passed down to the people, God invited Moses and seventy three elders up for a social visit and to view Him. Then Moses went alone to visit with God on the mountain, and stayed forty days and nights.


Up to this point in the Bible, God's anger had been directed primarily toward the victims of the flood, the Egyptians, and Sodom and Gomorah. He walked with, talked with, visited with, and enjoyed His people. He was forgetful, but managed to supply them with food and water on the desert. God reminded Moses to keep the Sabbath holy, gave him the tablets of stone, and Moses turned to go back to the people. But God looked down and saw Israel worshiping the golden calf, and told Moses, the people

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..."have become depraved."

This God was still slow to turn anger into punishment. He told Moses that Israel was stiff-necked, and then asked Moses,
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"Let me alone, then, that my wrath may blaze up against them to consume them. Then I will make you a great nation."

But instead of stepping aside, Moses stood his ground and reasoned with his God. He reminded God what the Egyptians would say, and of His promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Israel. Then he reminded God of His promise to make their descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky, and the land He promised as a perpetual heritage.
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So the Lord relented in the punishment he had threatened to inflict on His
people. (Exodus 32:14)



The old God walked with Adam and Eve in the garden, in the cool of the day. He was seen by every Israelite leader up to the golden calf incident.
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The Lord used to speak to Moses face to face, as one man speaks to another. (Exodus 33:11)

When He told them how they would acquire Chanaan He said He would do it gradually, so even the wild beasts wouldn't harm His chosen people.
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...and ahead of you I will send hornets to drive out the Hevites, Chanaanites and Hethites out of your way. But not in one year will I drive them out before you; else the land will become so desolate that the wild beasts will multiply against you. Instead, I will drive them out little by little before you, until you have grown numerous enough to take possession of the land. (Exodus 23:28)

The God of Abraham never mentioned war or violence.

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15th Jul, 2008 - 6:38am / Post ID: #

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Here, and now, in the middle of the book of (Exodus, Chapter 32, verse 14,) THIS gentle God disappeared, and everything changed. The new God of the Jews was not a kindly, forgetful, old gentleman. It has been suggested to me that the new vocabulary, and mean vindictiveness of the new God, were the thoughts of a
different writer. Possible, I suppose, but why would a new writer start in the middle of a book.


The new God said,

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..."Tell the Israelites: "When you go across the Jordan into the land of Chanaan, DRIVE OUT ALL THE INHABITANTS of the land before you: destroy all their stone figures and molten images, and demolish all their high places. You shall take possession of the land and settle in it, for I have GIVEN you the land as your property. But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land before you, those whom you allow to remain will become as barbs in your eyes and thorns in your sides, and they will harass you in the country where you live, and I WILL TREAT YOU AS I HAD INTENDED TO TREAT THEM"" (Numbers 33:50)

What a drastic change in character. After the golden calf incident, He was seen briefly by Josue, but did not appear again in person for six hundred nineteen years, when He appeared to Solomon, and was never seen again. You don't believe me? Read it again! The people received God's words from prophets, and Samuel heard His voice in the night, but God was never seen again.

So now we change to a God that is mean, hateful, vindictive, jealous, and gold hungry. He is a war God that likes bar-b-que, wine, and virgins. Among His curiosities are the fact that He has a blood fetish. Now let's meet Him. Keep your Bible close at hand!

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15th Jul, 2008 - 11:49pm / Post ID: #

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After the golden calf incident, Moses said,

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"Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel:"Put your sword on your hip, every one of you! Now go up and down the camp, from gate to gate, and slay your own
kinsmen, your friends and neighbors.""

The very first thing that took place under the direction of the new God was the slaughter of three thousand of His chosen people. Then in the same chapter, verse 34, when Moses asked forgiveness for the golden calf incident, God told him He would decide who to strike out of the book. Then He said something God had never said before,
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"Now, go and lead the people whither I have told you. MY ANGEL WILL GO BEFORE YOU."

God was not going to lead His people anymore! He was going to have an angel do it.


Then there are more directions with angels involved. The old God always took the credit for leading Israel out of Egypt, but in (Exodus chapter 33,) the new God told Moses,
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"You and the people whom YOU have brought up from the land of Egypt are to go up from here...

to the promise land. And again, He said He would send an angel before them, then told them very plainly why.
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But I myself will not go up in your company, because you are a stiff-necked people; otherwise I might exterminate you on the way."

Another telling sentence is,
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"The Lord USED to speak to Moses face to face, as one man speaks to another. (Exodus 33:11)



In another conversation with God, Moses reminded Him that He had said Moses was His intimate friend, and that he had found favor with Him. Then Moses said,
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..."if I have found favor with you, do let me know your ways so that, in knowing you, I may CONTINUE to find favor with you."

For what reason was Moses suddenly begging to get to know God's ways? Moses had been talking to God face to face since before Israel left Egypt. He knew the old God's ways, but there had been a radical change. Moses had a new God, and
obviously didn't know HIS ways!



17th Jul, 2008 - 6:55am / Post ID: #

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Again Moses asked for help in leading Israel. God relented and agreed to go with Moses to give him rest, because he was an, "intimate friend." Then Moses said,

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"Do let me see your glory!"

God's answer to this request from an intimate friend, a friend He had talked with face to face,
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..."my face you cannot see, for no man sees me and still lives."

Then God told him where to stand, and said He would cover him with His hand until He had passed.
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"Then I will remove my hand, so that you may see my back; but my face is not to be seen."

In (Exodus 33:23) many questions were raised in my mind. What was this "glory" Moses wanted to see? What made Moses skin become radiant when he talked to this God? Why did Moses take off his veil to talk to his new God? What was it that made Moses face so radiant that people feared him? Was there radio
activity in the air, or did Moses just stand too close to the fire?


Now for a bigger portion of 'this" God than anyone today would want, read your
Bible starting with (Leviticus 26:14). This passage has more threats per line than any other part of the Bible. For those who don't own a Bible, God threatens, fever, dim eyes, sowing your seed in vain, sky as hard as iron, soil as hard as bronze, wild beasts unleashed against you, robbed of your children and wipe out your livestock, pestilence, starvation, cannibalism, etc. etc. And that's the short version. Nope, never heard that in Sunday school either!


When Israel tired of eating manna, day after day, and begged for meat, what did they get? Anger! Mean, vindictive, anger!
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Therefore the Lord will give you meat for food, and you will eat it, not for one day, or two days, or five, or ten, or twenty days, but for a whole month-UNTIL IT COMES OUT OF YOUR VERY NOSTRILS and becomes loathsome to you.

And, true to His word, He brought the quail. But even while they were eagerly gathering, and eating, their first meat since they left Egypt, God showed His anger again!
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But while the meat was still between their teeth, before it could be consumed, the Lord's wrath flared up against the people, and He struck them with a very great plague.



18th Jul, 2008 - 8:02am / Post ID: #

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I have made my point about the second God's demand that His face not be seen. I have also left no doubt about how mean and vindictive He was. Although, if you want more mean, hateful, vindictiveness, just go back to the chapter in this book titled "ANGER" starting with (Exodus 32:27) The anger of 'this" God is one of the largest chapters in this book. Most of the six million plus, people that died in the Old Testament were because of this second God.


But let's take this a step further. It is the honest belief of every Christian in the world today, that Jesus Christ was the son of God. My question is, which God? It couldn't be the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He left the picture at the golden calf incident. To tell me that Jesus Christ, a being born of a virgin pure as the driven snow, that grew up to heal the sick, and teach love and understanding of your fellow man, a being who was called by some, Wonderful, Councilor, Prince of Peace, was the son of the hateful, vindictive, warrior-God that ruled Israel after the golden calf incident, is an idea I will not buy! Most sons, good or bad, learn at their father's knee. This means the second God could not possibly have a son as gentle and kind as Jesus Christ!


So I can point to at least three Gods, the God that told Abraham,

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"I am God the Almighty. Walk in my presence and be perfect."

and the God that told Moses,
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"Put your sword on your hip, every one of you! Now go up and down the camp, from gate to gate, and slay your own kinsmen, your friends and neighbors!"

AND the father of Jesus Christ. Since God was seen as a man many times, and
the Gods of the Bible ruled the Jews for 1575 years, I will GUESS that Israel was ruled by a succession of men, from a race of men advanced light years ahead of their time. Playing "God" was their way of helping Israel, or building their ego, or acquiring gold, silver, and virgins.



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But have you ever thought about how clever the last God was? Let's do some more supposing. Just suppose that the last God, Jesus father, could see that love and kindness was the answer to humanities problems, but this great power could see an end to His influence. So since Jesus was a healer of the blind, lame, and sick, wouldn't it be reasonable to think that He probably learned these powers from his father. And with the medicinal powers Jesus's Father must have had, the artificial insemination of Jesus mother, Mary, would have been a simple thing. So Jesus being, "born of a virgin" gave Him a great mystique and power to all who believe in Christianity.


Jesus's reputation grew when he reached manhood and taught love and understanding. And what was the message he left us with? Live a Christ-like life, and you will someday arrive at the pearly gates, to walk heavens streets of gold. Oh, but there is a down side to all this. You have to be good all the time, because he could return any moment! And if you"re where you aren't supposed to be, or
doing something you aren't supposed to do, all the good people will go to heaven without you!


It seems that man will find a way to be religious, in spite of any obstacle. Great harm has been done by some religions in history, but the good that the religious of this world do every day, can never be measured. Great hospitals and schools, or a simple kindness of one human to another, is largely the result of the teachings of
the different religions. Whether it comes from Salt Lake City, the Crystal Cathedral, Mecca, Rome, or Jerusalem, if its followers do good works, it matters little which religion the good comes from.


Speaking of Jerusalem, I had meant to research the Jewish religion for years, but didn't get to it until recently. I phoned a Rabbi once, but when I wondered aloud my idea about why the Jews rejected Jesus, he cut me short, and told me my idea was silly, then hung up on me. My idea of why Jesus was rejected by his own people did not come to me in a flash of wisdom or insight. It was an idea that grew slowly through my years of research.



21st Jul, 2008 - 8:24am / Post ID: #

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I realized one day, that all of the saviors God sent to Israel, were sent to lead the Jews out of trouble. Most of them had a sword in one hand, and a shield in the other. They were leaders, sometimes reluctant at first, but they turned out to be aggressive leaders that eventually did get the Jews out of trouble. Then, as the Jews did time after time, they turned away and worshiped other gods. Their God
finally gave up on them and went His way. But in several books of the Bible the prophets promised Israel one more savior. When they got peace loving Jesus, no sword, no shield, naturally they didn't believe he was their next savior. Then one day, I took information from a Jewish site on the internet that proved I was right.


At a sight called www.jewfaq.org/moshiach.htm I found the information I had wondered about so long. The term "moshiach" literally means 'the anointed one," it doesn't mean 'savior." The notion of an innocent, semi-divine being who will sacrifice himself to save us from sin is a purely Christian concept that has no basis
in Jewish doctrine. This Christian concept has become so deeply ingrained in the English word "messiah" that it can no longer be used by the Jews. But whatever they choose to call him, they know exactly what his qualifications are.


He will be a great political leader descended from King David. He will be well versed in Jewish law, a charismatic leader, a great military leader, and a great judge. But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demigod or other supernatural being.


The Jews are waiting for a man with the proverbial sword and shield, that will lead all Jews everywhere in the same direction at the same time. This man will turn the whole world from sin to worship his God. When will that be? They don't know, but they offer some suggestions:

. if Israel repented in a single day;

. if Israel observed a single Shabbat properly;

. if Israel observed two Shabbats in a row properly;

. in a generation that is totally innocent or guilty;

. in a generation that loses hope;

. in a generation where children are totally disrespectful towards
their parents and elders;

I"m sorry. You will never get all Jews in the world to follow one man at the same time. So let's do a little imagining here. Let's say that the leader Israel fantasizes about appeared, and all the 'stiffnecked" (Exodus 33:4) Jews in the world followed him. There are at least a dozen major religions in the world, and minor religions too numerous to mention. But if they would just follow the Jews new "moshiach," their God would return. The chances of one man leading the religious world is slim and none, so I"m not the least bit concerned. If I believed for a moment the Jews" war-god might return, I would do my best to hide in some remote corner of the world, and pray not to be found!

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