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Mousetrails, the Bible is explicit when it says God created the first man and woman. So where do you get the idea they were OTHER people (no children of Adam and Eve) at the Earth at the same time? I believe Adam and Eve had other children, not necessarily Cain and Abel were the first ones as many people think.

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Yes Adam lived over 900 years and sired many children see Genesis 5. given on average a couple will produce 1 child every 16 to 24 months that would place 400 plus people on the earth during his time not to mention the grand children ect. I would imagine thousands were on the earth when Adam was only 500 years old.


I do believe every one was to give the best of their animals not vegetable and that is why cain was punished. True he gave his best non meat produce but that was not what was asked of him. So disobedience is disobedience thus justly punished. His reactions were unjust and result in the first murder. To me I think cain was a greedy thankful whelp of a pup who thought he could trick and deserve those around him for his own benefit. This time he got called on it and he had no more than a hissy fit as do most spoiled children when caught red handed at trickery.

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LDS_forever I have been called on this question many times. The Bible first mentions Cain as being the first born, then in Genesis 4:2 it states ,

"Later, she bore his brother Abel." So Cain and Abel are the first born. Four chapters and 17 verses later it states, "Cain knew his wife and she conceived and bore Henoch;" When Adam was 130 years old he had another son, Seth. In Genesis 5:4 the Bible says, "Adam lived eight hundred years after the birth of Seth, and had other sons and daughters." So if Cain was 20 years old when Henoch was born, that was at least 110 years before Seth was born. Then the Bible mentions other sons and daughters. Cain knew his wife long before, "other sons and daughters" were even mentioned. Where did Cains wife come from? I have had devout Christians tell me before even drawing a breath, or thinking, "Well, they married their sisters!" Sorry, that one doesn't work either.

Then, of course there are these two passages from the mouth of God himself.

"None of you shall approach a close relative to have sexual intercourse with her. I am the Lord." (Leviticus 18:6)
Cursed be he who has relations with his sister or his half sister! (Deuteronomy 27:22)

So there weren't any sisters around for Cain to marry and it was against the rules. As I stated, there had to be other men and women on the earth having children at the same time as Adam and Eve for Cain to have a wife.

All direct quotes from the Bible are in italics.
Krakyn

Genesis 4:3 In the course of time Cain brought to the Lord an offering of the fruit of the ground. 4. Abel also brought some of the firstlings of his flock with their fat portions.
First, there was no order or demand for sacrifice and if you take note, Cain was the first to sacrifice. Also to this point there was no disobedience. Neither Cain, nor Abel, had been told what to bring. Then in verse 5 it says, "but for Cain and his offering He had no regard."
Krakyn

Why, when he came to sacrifice without being told to, would Cain be trying to trick anybody, much less his God? He went crazy after verse 5, but I don't think he did anything stupid until then.

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Mousetrails:

This is an absolute assumption on your part. I checked my Bible and there is NO part where it says that Cain was the first son of Adam and Eve, it only says that he was OLDER than Abel but NOT that he was the first child of the couple. It just says that after Abel was born, they could have had many children in between. Since you take the passages very literally, I am surprised by your assumption.

Where it says that Cain, Adam and Eve or their other children were given that commandment by God? You are quoting passages from Moses time hundreds of years after these people were dead, why are you assuming again that they were giving this commandment at the time of Adam and Eve? What is your scriptural basis for it?

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I think one issue I always have with Genesis is it is very sketchy and there are many versions of the time frame in question. After all this was told word of mouth from generation to generation for a bit prior written word.

So Able raise herds only but yet Cain raised crops and animals. Able offered his best of all he had. Cain fell short here in my eye since why did he not offer both animal and vegetable (grain) to God for his offering?

Now the second mistake Cain made is obvious here also if you understand what Abel offered. Able com,es with stock that he put extra care into not just fistlings (first born) but the best of then the fatest and most desirable. Cain did not put forth this same effort he just oh hey its time to sacrifice grabs what is easy and offers it up. Again not all of his stores are offered here just fruit of the ground not one chicken pig lamb or even some fish he could have caught. So god looks at it and gives the offer the same amount of praise as effort that whent into it process of offering.

I know if I sit and ponder some things science claims as truth and look at the bible I can link data quickly to make conclusions that are in controversy with the bible. I also know that if you are going to live with out conflict in you heart about believing in god you can not survive by dwelling on these facts. Remember the Devil is the trick master he know how we think and loves to put these small items in our minds knowing we will make the connection and draw conclusions against the bible and God.

I chose not to be the Devils tool thus I do no dwell to long on these thoughts. I think many time too far out of the box and see thing like the rushing of the wind across the tree tops and Gods chariots being no more then space ships but do I dwell here or say this maybe true but will I come to harm believing that that is false? Then I will pray over it and hear Gods gentle answers and know that God is real and that the mind and words of man are just to limited to fully express what actually transpired in these times.

I only mention this as it is the basis of some of my Holy beliefs and Mousetrails it took me 12 years to just get to where I can actually say this and really mean it. The many holy institutes out there make me feel ill but I can not let that cheat me from my heritage.

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LDS, acording to the Bible Adam and Eve are the first humans on the face of the earth and Cain and Abel are the first children mentioned as being born to the first man and woman, so I have no choice but to believe they were the first and second children. Do you have a book, or books, that re-write the Bible and add children to Adam and Eve's story before Cain?
LDS

We are still working with the same God. Do you think he changed his mind between Genesis and Leviticus, or Deuteronomy ?

Do you remember my belief that the Old Testament is taken from "living history" stories? Anything you imagine is possible, so yes, I struggle to stick to only what is written. The Old Testament does not mention children before Cain, so I have no choice but to assume he was first. But the chances of you being right are certainly just as good as mine. Who knows how many times the "living history" story was changed, or added to, before it was written down?

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Mousetrails:

Cain and Abel are the only ones mentioned in the Bible, not necessarily the first and second children.

We have Moses and is a book of The Pearl of Great Price. (one of the LDS Scriptures). If you are interested, I could quote from it making mention who Cain married and so on.

I don't know but the Bible certainly does not say God commanded Cain and the rest to follow that commandment.

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LDS

Yes, I'm interested.

I do my very best not to read something into the Bible that it doesn't say in black and white print and none of my 5 Bibles including the Tora mention any children being born to Adam and Eve before Cain and Abel. I have no other direction to go. I also have no choice but to believe that we are working with the same God in Genesis as the one in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. I can only think of one story where the Bible shows God changing his mind.