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Mousetrails - The First Holy War - Page 11
Sorry I haven't posted for a time. I had cataract surgery last Monday and again on Wednesday on the same eye. I shouldn't be here now, but the boredom is worse than the pain.
Mousetrails
All quotes are from the Douay-Catholic Bible or Websters Dictionary
Next we learn that God looked around one day and found some of his people were spilling blood elsewhere. Where and why they were spilling this blood was a shock, even after all I have learned. This is just one of the parts of the Bible they don't read in church. If they ever do, they will probably need a dictionary as I did.
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Any Israelite who slaughters an ox or a sheep or a goat, whether in the camp or outside of it, without first bringing it to the entrance of the Meeting Tent to present it as an offering to the Lord in front of his Dwelling, shall be JUDGED GUILTY OF BLOODSHED; and for this, such a man shall be cut off from his people. The priest shall splash the blood on the altar of the Lord at the entrance of the Meeting Tent and there burn the fat for an odor pleasing to the Lord. No longer shall they offer their sacrifices to the SATYRS to whom they used to render their wanton worship. (Leviticus 17:3) |
Judged guilty of bloodshed? Judged by a God that has a blood fetish to be guilty of bloodshed? He's the one that taught them how to spill blood, so it must be very important to Him where, and who, the blood is spilled for! But let's go back to Webster's Dictionary.
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sa-tyr \'sat-ar, 'sat-\ n[ME, fr. L. satyrus, fr. Gk satyros] 1 a sylvan deity of Greek mythology having certain characteristics of a horse or a goat and fond of DIONYSIAN revelry 2: a LECHEROUS MAN : one having SATYRIASIS. Webster's Dictionary --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sa-ty-ri-a-sis\ n [LL, fr. Gk, fr. satyros] : EXCESSIVE OR ABNORMAL SEXUAL CRAVING IN THE MALE. Webster's Dictionary --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dionysus b : BEING OF A FRENZIED OR ORGIASTIC CHARACTER. Webster's Dictionary --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
NOW we"re getting a
very distinct picture. The Jews were sacrificing to lecherous men with excessive or abnormal sexual craving, having a frenzied or orgiastic character. Interesting and different, but not what God wanted them to see. He wanted all this offered to Him. He wanted control of the Jews worship, and He wanted a river of blood at the altar. No, I don't believe river is an exaggeration. Remember the number of males old enough for battle? 603,550 men. That's a lot of sacrificing of ox, sheep, and goats! I believe river is the proper word.
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OTHER GODS
Control of the Jews was not an easy task. They were continually finding other gods to worship making life for their God a continuous challenge. In this chapter you will discover there is a definite difference in an idol and a god. You will also find the gods that the Jews God was so concerned about were live human beings just like Him. The earliest mention of idols tells of a theft by Rachel of those idols belonging to her father.
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When Laban had gone to shear his flock, Rachel stole her father's household idols. (Genesis 31:19) |
God told Jacob to leave, but said nothing about the idol theft, so He must not have been too concerned with idols at this early stage of the gods "n" idols game. The next reference to strange gods comes not from God, but from Jacob. He wanted to start clean, but God still wasn't concerned with idols. So Jacob said to his family and all who were with him,
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"Do away with the strange gods you have among you, purify yourselves, and change your garments." (Genesis 35:2) |
After God led Israel out of Egypt, He suddenly realized they had idols and other gods and proceeded to make all manner of new rules about their old gods. He was very efficient, covering all possibilities for idols in two sentences.
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"You shall not have other gods besides me. You shall not carve idols for your-selves in the shape of anything in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth." (Exodus 20:3) |
Then He made it painfully clear what would happen if they sacrificed to one of those other gods when He said,
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"Whoever sacrifices to any god, except to the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19) |
He didn't even want you to mention another god's name.
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"Give heed to all I have told You. Never mention the name of any other god; it shall not be heard from your lips." (Exodus 23:13) |
He certainly didn't want His people to live beside anybody that worshiped another
god, so He told Israel,
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"They must not abide in your land, lest they make you sin against me by ensnaring you into worshiping their gods." (Exodus 23:33) |
And heaven forbid you should ever marry such a person!
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"Neither shall you take their daughters as wives for your sons; otherwise, when their daughters render their wanton worship of their gods, they will make your sons do the same." (Exodus 34:16) |
I strongly believe this next verse of the Bible separates gods and idols. It leads me to believe that the idols they made were images of their living, breathing gods. Only real living flesh and blood gods would feel it if judgements were executed against them.
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While the Egyptians buried their first-born all of whom the Lord had struck down; ON THEIR GODS, TOO, the Lord executed judgments. (Numbers 33:4) |
The God of the Jews would not bother to "execute judgements" on mere idols. Executing judgements on molten gods or idols would have been a poor place to show anger.
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Again and again He reminded Israel,
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"You shall not have other gods besides me." (Deuteronomy 5:7) |
He must have thought all His demands concerning other gods were falling on deaf ears. At this point, the God of the Jews became paranoid about the possibility
of His chosen people following another god. He ordered all other people in the area doomed.
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"You must DOOM them all- the Hethites, Amorrites, Chanaanites, Pherizites, Hevites, and Jebusites-as the Lord, your God, has commanded you, lest they teach you to make any such abominable offerings as they make to THEIR gods, and you thus sin against the Lord, YOUR God." |
This passage is very important because it mentions THEIR gods and YOUR GOD in a comparison, in the same sentence. It is curious to me that this all-powerful God didn't just wipe out all the other gods that bothered him. Why did He not, with all his power, remedy the situation once and for all?
When Moses was about to die, God told him Israel would worship other gods. He knew this because, ...
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"what they are inclined to do even at the present time." (Deuteronomy 31:21) |
Several times in the Old Testament, the Jews turned away from God. He predicted it. He knew it was coming. But He was powerless to do anything about it except turn his back until they cried for help.
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"Yet I will be hiding my face from them at that time only because of all the evil they have done in turning to other gods." (Deuteronomy 31:18) |
What a change! Back in (Exodus 22:19) God was going to doom anyone that sacrificed to another god. Now He just hides His face! And the battle of wills continued. He told them again and again, no other gods. And this time Webster's Dictionary makes it very plain with the word venerate that the, "other god" is a person!
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"And I said to you: I, the Lord, am your God; you shall not venerate the gods of the Amorrites in whose land you are dwelling. But you did not obey me." (Judges 6:10) |
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ven-er-ate 1: a respect or awe inspired by the dignity, wisdom, dedication, or talent of a person. Webster's Dictionary --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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The "other gods" concept was always vague in the religion I was raised in. I have never heard any one even suppose that the other gods, warned against so many times, were more than just idols. In the next passage the Bible leaves no doubt that the god Baal is a male being capable of acting on his own behalf. In fact, there seems to be a question whether he really is a god.
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But Joas replied to all who were standing around him,"Do you intend to act in Baal's stead, or be his champion? If anyone acts for him, he shall be put to death by morning. If he whose altar has been destroyed is a god, let him act for himself!" (Judges 6:31) |
And still the battle of the gods continued. All God's threats of doom, and all of His instructions, not to even mention other god's names, meant nothing to Israel. They still followed other gods.
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The Israelites again offended the Lord, serving the Baals and Astharthes, the gods of Aram, the gods of Sidon, the gods of Moab, the gods of the Ammonites, and the gods of the Philistines. (Judges 10:6) |
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...Samuel spoke to all the house of Israel, saying: "If you turn to the Lord with all your heart, put away the strange gods from among you, Baalim and Astaroth: and prepare your hearts unto the Lord, and serve him only, and he will deliver you out of the hand of the Philistines." (1 Kings 7:3) |
Even after God had turned his face away, Samuel talked Israel into turning away from their strange gods. Although Samuel's God didn't appear in person to help, thunder terrified the Philistines, Israel won the battle, and God got the credit.
And now, almost one third of the way through the Old Testament, it is finally revealed what God is all about. He set out TO MAKE HIMSELF A NAME. He controlled a great number of people, and he did great and terrible things, all just to make a name for himself.
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And what nation is there on earth as thy people Israel, whom God went to redeem for a people to himself, AND TO MAKE HIM A NAME, and to do for them great and terrible things upon the earth, before the face of thy people. (2 Kings 7:23) |
And over SIX AND ONE HALF MILLION HUMAN BEINGS DIED. MOUSE TRAILS INDEED!
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Here again the Bible text shows a definite difference in a goddess and an idol.
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...Solomon worshiped Astarthe the goddess of the Sidonians, and Moloch the idol of the Ammonites. (3 Kings 11:5) |
I believe the God of the Jews was no more "god" than Astarthe was a goddess. And still the battle raged on over which god is the real god. In a message to Jeroboam He said, ...
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"but hast done evil above all that were before thee, and hast made thee strange gods and molten gods to provoke me to anger, and hast cast me behind thy back;" (3 Kings 14:9) |
The phrase ..."strange gods and molten gods" tells me again the people of that time worshiped gods, AND idols. In another passage I found an example of a god being nothing more than a glorified human. Beelzebub was a living human being, capable of giving advice and counsel to help in making plans for the future.
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Thus saith the Lord: "Is it because there was no God in Israel that thou sendest to consult Beelzebub the god of Accaron? (4 Kings 1:6) |
The key word is, consult. The dictionary once again makes it very clear.
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- con-sult 1: to seek counsel from; ask advice of. 2: to refer to for information. 3: to have regard for in making plans. Webster's Dictionary --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
You cannot seek counsel with an idol. An idol won't give you information, or help you make plans. The god of Accaron was a living, breathing person, being held up as a god. When an Israelite consulted Beelzebub, it made the God of the Jews jealous.
The God of the Jews doomed His chosen people who decided to worship other gods. He ordered them to never even mention the name of another god. He also ordered them to throw people out of the land and to doom them that worshiped other gods, and hid His face from those that did. He believed his chosen people made molten gods only to provoke him to anger. He warned the Jews time
and again,
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Thou shalt have no other gods before me!" |
He punished them in many ways, yet they continually and regularly turned their
back on him. This all-powerful God created the earth, as well as all living creatures, but when He made man, He left a small flaw in His creation. He couldn't get man to stick to the idea of just one god. This same God hung the stars in the sky, but could not, or would not, eliminate or make powerless the other gods that caused him and
Israel so much grief generation after generation.
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OBLATIONS
I don't remember hearing the words oblation, or libation, in church, much less having them explained to me. So... back to the dictionary again.
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ob-la-tion 1: the act of making a religious offering 2: something offered in worship or devotion Webster's Dictionary --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- li-ba-tion To pour as an offering 1:a an act of pouring a liquid as a sacrifice (as to a deity) b. a liquid (as wine) used in a libation 2:a an act or instance of drinking often ceremoniously Webster's Dictionary --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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In the course of time Cain brought to the Lord an offering of the fruit of the ground. Abel also brought some of the firstlings of his flock with their fat portions. The Lord was pleased with Abel and his offerings; but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. Cain was very angry and downcast. (Genesis 4:3-5) |
Why? I wondered at this as a child. Why did God have no regard for Cain's offering? There was no instruction to this point in time on what to bring as an
offering to God. If I had been one of Adam and Eve's children, I would have brought the things I liked best hoping to find favor in my God's eyes. No wonder Cain was angry and downcast. This caused the jealousy that made Cain turn against Abel and kill him. Later, God became extremely specific about what He was to be offered and how it was to be prepared.
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"You shall not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread; nor shall the fat of MY FEAST be kept overnight till the next day. The choicest fruits of your soil you shall bring to the house of the Lord, your God." (Exodus 23:18) |
In a time long before refrigeration, not keeping animal fat overnight was a good instruction, but we"re back to 'the blood" fetish again. What did the blood have to do with unleavened bread? And for those of you that have questioned my statement that God consumed food, He uses the phrase ..."fat of my feast." Also when Cain was no longer around, God decided that "fruits of the soil," should be on His table and ordered 'the choicest," to be brought to the house of the Lord.
Then He became extremely specific and told them what he wanted for the morning and evening meal each day. He also told them how much fine flour to mix with a fourth of a hin of oil of crushed olives and as an afterthought, a fourth of a hin of wine. Oh! And bring the same thing in the evening twilight.
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"Now, this is what you shall offer on the altar: two yearling lambs as the sacrifice established each day; one lamb in the morning and the other lamb at the evening twilight. With the first lamb there shall be a tenth of an epha of fine flour mixed with a fourth of a hin of oil of crushed olives and, as its libation, a fourth of a hin of wine. The other lamb you shall offer at the evening twilight, with the same cereal offering and libation as in the morning. You shall offer this as a sweet-smelling libation to the Lord. (Exodus 29:38) |
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I find four thousand year old recipes interesting to say the least. But when my banker, a very devout believer made the statement that, "God didn't eat." I was dumbfounded. My first thought was, "Which Bible has he been reading?" I guess the food God ate wasn't as exciting as the story about the walls of Jericho, so his church didn't bother to read about the food. But then why are all those specific recipes in the Bible? If God didn't eat, why did He go to the trouble of giving Israel specific instructions on the preparation of His food, and why did He call it ..."my feast?"
In this passage God seems to have discovered baked bread. But whether it was baked, fried, or deep fried, He wanted oil on it.
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"When the cereal offering you present is baked in an oven, it must be in the form of unleavened cakes made of fine flour mixed with oil, or of unleavened wafers spread with oil. If you present a cereal offering that is fried on a griddle, it must be of fine flour mixed with oil and unleavened. Such a cereal offering must be broken into pieces, and oil must be poured over it. If you present a cereal offering that is prepared in a pot, it must be of fine flour, deep fried in oil. (Leviticus 2:4) |
God had no regard for Cain's offering, but later He wanted fruit of the field and He wanted salt on it, every time!
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However, every cereal offering that you present to the Lord shall be seasoned with salt. Do not let the salt of the covenant of your God be lacking from the cereal offering. On every offering you shall offer salt. (Leviticus 2:13) |
There was even a special offering on the day Aaron was to be anointed. Once again, He was very specific on measurement, when to serve it, how much to knead it, and how it was to be cooked. ...
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one tenth of an epha of fine flour for the established cereal offering, half in the morning and half in the evening. It shall be well kneaded and fried in oil on a griddle when you bring it in. Having broken the offering into pieces, you shall present it as a sweet smelling oblation to the Lord. (Leviticus 6:12) |