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Seektruther, you are on the edge of me freezing your account. First of all, I do not believe you are honest in your reasons for being here nor in your 'beating around the bush' kinds of posts and second, is it in your interest in asking a question and getting the answer or are you merely trying to 'teach' us your belief? If you are doing the latter then you need to go to the Bible Revealed Board where you can rant all you like about the Bible and your understanding of it.

This is the absolute last time I will say this, the next time your account will just be frozen or terminated:

The Studies of Latter-Day Saints Boards is based on you asking questions concerning LDS Doctrine and then an LDS Member can reply with any scripture from any LDS Based Book / Prophet, because you are supposed to be studying LDS Doctrine not just the Bible! If you cannot understand a LDS Doctrine because you have never read the Book of Mormon, D&C, or other works then it is your responsibility to do so because a fundamental belief of Latter-Day Saints is that revelation has not stopped, Prophets still walk the earth and scripture still comes from their mouths. I also suggest you seek out missionaries from the Church if you are really interested in knowing more about the Church. If you just want to debate the bible then go to the Bible Revealed Board... that is the last time I will say it.

Enough said... now, 'walk' carefully, I will just act next time as opposed to react to your posts which to me are not constructive as they just cause Members to repeat themselves constantly.

Love

Sorry, I'm still getting used to the this board's definition of LDS discussion. You didn't get upset like this when I asked a question about Gen. 3, so when is it appropriate to ask about the LDS interpretation of the Bible? I know a lot more about LDS doctrine than the average LDS, but my knowledge of it doesn't even come close to what you guys have simply because I haven't been going to an LDS church for years. That's why I"m here asking questions. That's why I don't know how to use the Book of Mormon.

Offtopic but, It was hard to tell whether LDS_forever's comment on the 10 commandments was her opinion or the the official stance of the church because the church still believes in the Bible and it sounds like that passage contradicted her point. I'm sorry if it sounded like I was preaching. It was a passage that is about the topic she brought up and I wanted clarification in how in interacted with the statement she made on the 10 commandments. It was a rather long passage, that's why I didn't want to just paste the whole thing in one big chunk, I wanted to pick out points that needed clarification. I didn't mean for it to sound preachy.

I understand if you want to just forget about the 10 commandment thing, I will just focus on LDS doctrine.

I still don't understand how these two bolded statements fit together. Like I said before, I agree with the first one. But it sounds like the second one confuses me. If we have to do something in order to be with the Father in heaven, isn't that earning it?

Edited: seektruther on 7th Apr, 2006 - 9:05pm

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Well, there is nothing I could do if you cannot see how they fit together. It's easy, you cannot "earn" a place in Heaven (and I already explained why, see what I mean about explaining myself over and over?)

The second statement is talking about us taking advantage of God's love and mercy by sitting our butts down and doing nothing because we are "saved" anyway. One deals with earning (by own own works) and the other deals with deserving or be worth of. Unless you think God is an unfair individual, I do not think he sees with the same light someone who has done good deeds throughout their lives (giving service, keeping his commandments, etc) compared to someone that did absolutely nothing of his/her life and yet said during his/her life that "accepted" him and that's all. "These people, they honor me with their lips but their hearts are far from me". It is such a comfortable position to think you're safe by just using your tongue (and I guess that's why so many people are mislead by this doctrine). ACTIONS is what brings you closer to God, and deserving of his love and blessings. Not words. But if you feel comfortable knowing that God loves you anyway and that's why you should not do your best or do anything then is up to you and your concience.

Get the point now?

Edited: LDS_forever on 7th Apr, 2006 - 9:42pm

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Jesus Christ atoned for our sins, to satisfy the demands of justice. He is the only one who is capable of this, being the only perfect mortal. I believe this is what LDS_forever meant by

. However, in order to be partakers of the atonement, we must be obedient to the Lords commandments. That is how the two statement relate, as I see it.

Love

I have covered this very thoroughly in the thread on baptism (click here). I will cover it briefly here.

We don't EARN our way to heaven. We QUALIFY for certain blessings, including salvation. Despite the fact that you will deny this, qualification is an essential doctrine in ALL of Christianity. Even the most diehard Calvinist will tell me that in order to be "saved", I must make a decision to accept Jesus Christ as my Savior. That is an ACT that QUALIFIES a person for salvation (according to popular doctrine).

The only difference is that we believe that the qualification entails more than simply making a decision. It includes everything in the 4th Article of Faith. Faith in Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism by immersion for the remission of sins, and acceptance of the Gift of the Holy Ghost. None of these things EARN salvation. But all are essential to RECEIVE the full blessings of salvation.

Offtopic but, The way the Studies of LDS board works is very simple. You are free to ask questions of us about our beliefs, culture, etc. in this particular board. You are NOT free to lecture us on why or how our beliefs are wrong, distorted, etc. If you want to preach your doctrine, you are welcome to do so in the general Religious Studies board or the Bible Studies board. But we do demand a certain level of respect, including no "bible bashing", no proclamations that you know better than someone else, etc. Finally, it really disturbs me that you claimed: "I know a lot more about LDS doctrine than the average LDS, but my knowledge of it doesn't even come close to what you guys have simply because I haven't been going to an LDS church for years." This particular statement, while internally inconsistent and contradictory, is also a hallmark statement of anti-Mormons. The other hallmark of anti-Mormons is their continued jumping from topic to topic, claiming that the Mormons aren't answering their questions, while telling the us Mormons that we don't know what we are talking about. I certainly hope that you aren't in this category, but are sincerely interested in constructive discussion.

Love?

Before I respond to that, I'll ask what you guys think I should do. When I read the line in her post that talks about the person who does nothing, a verse from Romans comes to mind. I don't want to preach on it, I just want to ask how it works along with the LDS faith. Like I said before, I don't know as much as you guys about the LDS faith (the line in my other post was a typo, it was my fault, I was typing too fast. I'm dreadfully sorry I gave people the wrong impression. I was trying to say I know more than the average Baptist about the LDS faith, but not as much as you.). That is why I'm asking about it. So how do you want me to state my question of "How does that concept work with Bible verse X?"?

Offtopic but, I understand restricting members who seem to look like pests... I just want a chance to talk about how we can have discussions. I tried sending a message through the site, but no one has e-mailed me. Nighthawk, LDS_forever, JB@Trinidad, anybody, my e-mail is ****** If we can't talk about what I've said/asked in this post here, than please e-mail me.

Message Edited! JB@Trinidad: Email address removed / long off topic removed. What part of do not place your Email address in our Community do you not understand. You are correct about one thing... you are a pest and that is why you are now deleted!