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I do not find this letter a reason for not hiring the Professor back, he was being honest in his opinion and I do not see any type of disrespect towards the Brethren. I agree with this in particular:

We have discussed this issue MANY times within this board and I wonder...what would happen to US if our way of writing and thinking (that sometimes does not go necessarily with the "flow") affect our Church membership? So far, Bro. Nielsen's issue is just a work issue and I hope it ends up there.

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You cannot disagree with the Church?

BYU response to why they do not want Nielsen back

https://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_164203052.html

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That is why BYU, and its supporters, is so proud that it is under condemnation from various collegiate associations. The associations condemn BYU for its lack of academic tolerance, and its habit of firing anyone who doesn't follow every pronouncement of either the Church or BYU.

But, as we all know, BYU is the "Lord's University"! (A line from The RM, a very funny movie.)

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I do not support this amendment because I believe it tramples on the right of the states to govern marriage. However, I believe we need an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that protects the rights of the states to so govern (and declare that the feds CANNOT infringe on the rights of the states to legislate and protect marriage).

Mitt Romney at first announced support for the amendment as written, but recently clarified that he did NOT support it. The LDS Church is not going after Mitt for that view.

I disagree with the view that the government should not have any say on marriage. It has to. If marriage is to mean anything, the society must recognize it. It does that via legislation. So a state that did NOT recognize marriage would be harming marriage.

Rather off topic, but... Nighthawk QUOTE That is why BYU, and its supporters, is so proud that it is under condemnation from various collegiate associations. The associations condemn BYU for its lack of academic tolerance, and its habit of firing anyone who doesn't follow every pronouncement of either the Church or BYU. Which associations are these? I have no problem with BYU refusing to hire this professor. He clearly spoke out against the Church's position. Doing so violates the conditions of his hire.

Which associations are these? I have no problem with BYU refusing to hire this professor. He clearly spoke out against the Church's position. Doing so violates the conditions of his hire.

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Tortdog:

So you are saying that a professor at BYU cannot disagree with a Church position because that will cost him his job and you do not see a problem with that at all?

I think in this case it's crazy.

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Zero problem with it. The freedom to associate/assemble protects this right. An institution is not required to accept people into its association with whom the group disagrees with. For example, the law cannot force the NAACP to permit members of the KKK to join as members.

The statement on academic freedom makes clear that this principle applies to religious institutions and the universities they sponsor, so long as the university makes this position clear at the front end. Thus, both BYU and the Catholic University have made clear to their faculty and students that opinions that are contrary to the religious positions of the sponsoring church are not to be published while under that university's employ.

BYU made this condition clear to him. It is not questioned. Because the professor ignored the condition of his hire, BYU is able to sever the relationship with him as a professor.

To do otherwise would require the Church to employ someone who espouses positions contrary to the Church. That's wrong. This man can have is opinion, but he cannot use the Church's university (BYU) as a platform from which to publish it.

Rather off topic, but... The Supreme Court addressed a similar problem with the Boy Scouts of America (the "BSA"), where a gay man tried to force the BSA to accept him as a registered scout leader. The BSA argued that it viewed his conduct in publicly announcing his homosexuality violated their freedom of association. The Supreme Court agreed, stating the BSA did not have to include a person into its organization who proclaimed things against the BSA's beliefs.

By the way, this information comes from Wiki not this topic. Admittedly, I wrote some of it, but I'm being lazy and don't want to find the original sources again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_freedom

Edited: tortdog on 28th Aug, 2007 - 8:45pm

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I honestly cannot answer this right now. I can't remember what associations or organizations. However, I know that I regularly hear that BYU is rated as one of the most boring (least partying) schools, and as having the least amount of academic freedom.

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That's definitely true. Ranked #1 in the last ranking (thankfully)!

I find that absurd, and would suggest those making those claims to be ignorant of the facts. Consider this:

* At BYU you have MORE freedom to discuss religious issues than almost any other university.

And that is very true.

I also heard from several people that al-Qaeda wasn't responsible for 9/11. Doesn't make it true, though.