Should I Seek Christ's Face Now?

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12th Jun, 2006 - 5:06am / Post ID: #

Should I Seek Christ's Face Now?

Should I Seek Christ's Face Now?

First of all this Thread is genuine its' asking...

I have thought about this many times, and though I am far from worthy of it, I am wondering if it is in fact something that I should be actively seeking, and when I say seeking I mean expecting it and not merely hoping. Now I know we have covered this in bits and pieces with 'Election Made Sure', but that is more about the ordinance. We know from the scriptures that many men saw Him before even baptism such as in the case of Joseph Smith.

Should everyone be seeking to see the face of Christ literally? I mean should we work towards being so sanctified and faithful that we then become worthy of seeing Him now? Or is it that our seeing Him is really just a matter of the next life only? Is it for us to wait so in the end we become more blessed because we did not see yet believed?

As we are on this note. Do you feel that each of our modern day Apostles has seen Christ literally and thus become a special witness or do they have other ways similar to how we 'know' (which is still more of belief than actually knowing)? I do not recall any of them saying, "I have seen Him" as did the Apostles of old. Is it that it is too sacred to say that?



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12th Jun, 2006 - 6:38pm / Post ID: #

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This is a very complex subject. I am not really sure what is really required of us to seek the face of Christ during our lives here on Earth. Just thinking in the Prophet Joseph Smith as a little boy, we can say that you do not need to be nearly perfect in order to see it, it seems to me it is more about what Christ has in store for you and in what way he thinks it is needed for you to see his face in order to accomplish a great task, such is the case of the Young Joseph.

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Do you feel that each of our modern day Apostles has seen Christ literally and thus become a special witness or do they have other ways similar to how we 'know' (which is still more of belief than actually knowing)? I do not recall any of them saying, "I have seen Him" as did the Apostles of old. Is it that it is too sacred to say that?


Again, this is very hard to answer. Most Apostles insinuate they have seen Christ but none of the modern day Apostles have literally and openly said so. Now, many people argue that may be their experiences are too sacred to share...then why refer them as "special witnesses" of Christ if they do not testify that they have seen Him? By the other hand, being a "special witness" entitles that they must have seen Christ?

I am pretty sure every Apostle have received some type of "special" manifestation but since they have not shared it openly, we can only speculate they have seen Christ.

In the FAIR web site, I found the following:

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Allen Wyatt, of FAIR, shares this entry in his personal journal from February 3, 1990,

Today is the first day of our stake conference. I am the executive secretary of our stake. Elder James E. Faust is here to replace our stake presidency. I was sitting in the priesthood leadership session, and Elder Faust was bearing his testimony. It is, without a doubt, the strongest testimony I have ever heard. He said (paraphrasing) 'I have always believed in the Church; I come from good blood. But through thousands of spiritual experiences, so many now that I have at least one a day--we had one earlier today (referring to meeting with the new stake presidency)--I have gained a testimony to the point I can say, as did the brother of Jared, "I saw the finger of the Lord and the veil could not withhold Him from me, therefore I no longer believed, for I had knowledge." As the brother of Jared stated, so say I--I know that Jesus is the Christ.'


So may be they DO share some of these experiences but in very closed settings.



13th Jun, 2006 - 2:16am / Post ID: #

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I think that the goal to see Christ, face to face, is a very worthy goal. It encompasses a lot of different principles, ordinances, and precepts. In order to fulfill this goal, a person would have to really prepare himself or herself.

I find it interesting that so many people in the early days of the Church saw Christ, and bore witness of such. Zebedee Coltrin bore witness that in the School of the Prophets, Joseph Smith taught the men how to pray properly (related to the True Order of Prayer). One morning, after fasting, everyone partook of the sacrament, as breakfast. They then knelt on the floor, raised their hands, and began to pray. One man began to have the Heavens opened up to him, but drew back from the experience. Joseph chastised him, as he had driven a wonderful experience away from all of them.

However, a little bit later, while all were still praying, Jesus Christ walked through the room. A bit later, Heavenly Father walked through the room. Joseph Smith bore witness to these men that those were the personages who they saw.

I really don't know if any current Apostles have seen Christ, face to face. None of them have born witness of having done so. Without that witness, I must assume that they haven't.



Post Date: 29th Jun, 2007 - 4:35am / Post ID: #

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However, a little bit later, while all were still praying, Jesus Christ walked through the room. A bit later, Heavenly Father walked through the room. Joseph Smith bore witness to these men that those were the personages who they saw.

I really don't know if any current Apostles have seen Christ, face to face. None of them have born witness of having done so. Without that witness, I must assume that they haven't.


Can you tell me where you found this account? I would like to read of this myself.

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29th Jun, 2007 - 11:53am / Post ID: #

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Can you tell me where you found this account? I would like to read of this myself.


You can read the account of Elder Zebedee Coltrin here:

https://www.boap.org/LDS/Early-Saints/ZebC.html



28th Sep, 2007 - 3:42am / Post ID: #

Should I Seek Christ's Face Now?

QUOTE (JB @ 11-Jun 06, 9:06 PM)

I have thought about this many times, and though I am far from worthy of it, I am wondering if it is in fact something that I should be actively seeking, and when I say seeking I mean expecting it and not merely hoping.


Are we not commanded to seek the Face of the Lord? D&C 101:38 states:

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And seek the face of the Lord always, that in patience ye may possess your souls, and ye shall have eternal life.


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JB-Should everyone be seeking to see the face of Christ literally? I mean should we work towards being so sanctified and faithful that we then become worthy of seeing Him now?


I have a great friend that taught institute about 15 years ago when my husband and I were first married (civilly) and we attended two years with him. He ALWAYS pointed out, no matter what scriptures he was teaching out of, that they all pointed to the way to "seek" him. I remember this quote he used often from The Prophet Joseph Smith-

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Joseph Smith said:
"God hath not revealed anything to Joseph, but what he will make known unto the
Twelve, and even the least saint may know all things as fast as he is able to bear them, for the day must come when no man need say to his neighbor, Know ye the Lord; for all shall know him . . . from the least to the greatest." (Teachings, p. 149.)


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JB-Should everyone be seeking to see the face of Christ literally? I mean should we work towards being so sanctified and faithful that we then become worthy of seeing Him now?


John would also tell us that we are in no manner the "least saint" although we would like to make ourselves believe that. So, I would think that YES, we should be seeking his face and someday we will find it (literally). When that will happen I am not sure but in my opinion it sure sounds like it can happen here.



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28th Sep, 2007 - 11:13am / Post ID: #

Should Seek Christ's Face Now

Somewhere in this Board we had a Discussion about what it takes to get to that stage - the Second Endowment for starters. I do not know if in this life I will see him, but I am content so long as I can both see Him and be with Him in the next life.



23rd Oct, 2007 - 6:25pm / Post ID: #

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JB:

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As we are on this note. Do you feel that each of our modern day Apostles has seen Christ literally and thus become a special witness or do they have other ways similar to how we 'know' (which is still more of belief than actually knowing)? I do not recall any of them saying, "I have seen Him" as did the Apostles of old. Is it that it is too sacred to say that?


Elder Packer's talk in the last General Conference was quite interesting. He basically said that the testimony the Apostles have is in no way "different" from the one of a regular member, hence I assume they have not seen Christ face to face unless they bear witness of it.



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