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What would America's attitude be toward the government today if the news media reported the news like they did when Bill Clinton was president?

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I think it would be very, very different. The major news media was definitely sympathetic to Bill Clinton's foreign and domestic policies. They did have "fun" with his personal problems, but it did appear to be "in fun" for them, as they were the first to defend him from prosecution for his lawlessness.

However, today, the major news media is obviously very hostile towards George W. Bush and any of his domestic or foreign policies. They do everything possible to embarrass and weaken him, even if they have to invent stories (think Dan Rather and his fall due to manufactured "evidence" that was supposedly "fake but accurate").

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Not to sound rude, but that is a fairly biased statement and view of the media. Some people consider the taking of freedoms and liberty to be more important than lying about cheating with your wife when it comes to a president. Yet the media lambasted Clinton for lying about having an affair. The reality is that I remember hearing something bad about Clinton nearly every news cast his entire Presidency.

The funny thing about these types of comments is that Democrats are making the same comments Republicans did. They are saying that the media is letting Bush off easy and not reporting the whole truth as to make him look not as bad. The fact is that they are handling the last two presidents very much the same. They focus on things that the presidents put in front of them to draw attention away from the real scandals that the media should be reporting on. Point in case, Clinton got away with very little coverage of the fact that nearly everyone who could implicate him in Whitewater died. In this era, nearly all the evidence that Bush and his cabinet knew no WMD's existed in Iraq, including White House memo's has been kept out of the major main stream media broadcasts.

The fact is that if you watch any type of main stream media, you will get spoon fed what ever the government wants you to hear. If you listed to party line media, you will end up getting spoon fed the far wing of that party's line of garbage and nice little sayings that you can use to feed your party line thinking. Only true independent media, funded only by its listeners like link TV can give you real news that is free of influence from government and industry.

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That is why the media applauded Clinton's totally illegal involvement in Bosnia, and has lied about Bush's work in Iraq from day 1. The media thought it was wonderful when Clinton bombed an aspirin factory, yet lambasted Bush for every time a shot has gone wild in Iraq. They complained that Bush hadn't caught Saddam, then complained that he had. They complain that he hasn't caught Osama, but overlook the fact that a couple of countries OFFERED Osama to Clinton, but Clinton didn't want to stop him.

The media applauds Kerry's and Murtha's charges of atrocities without evidence, but condemn the military when it doesn't find evidence that doesn't exist.

Perhaps it is just a point of view. But there is no doubt in my mind that the mainstream news media would much rather air the condemnations of lowlifes such as Kerry, Murtha, and Kennedy than the honorable actions of our military members.

The country, as far as I am concerned, is going to hell in a handbasket, and the news media is only contributing to it. Heck, have you noticed that some of the most important news (according to ABCBSCNNBCMSNBC....) is all about itself? How many news stories have there been about Katie Couric, Dan Rather, and Anderson (whatever his name is)? Those are far more important matters to the news media than the fact that over 500 fully charged WMDs have been found in Iraq. Right?

Do you really want to talk about taking of liberties? How about the Left's refusal to allow school choice, or its insistence that abortion rights trump the rights of parents? How about the fact that the Left is determined to redefine the basic principles of American society, starting with marriage, and ending with how people defend themselves? What, exact, liberties have President Bush removed from you? What freedoms that existed in 1906 do not exist right now?

Oh, yes, I can name one. Now our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines are imprisoned in shackles, without charges, based on the rantings of the Leftist loonies. If there was a crime, they should be punished. But they certainly aren't offered the basic Constitutional guarantees of "assumed innocent until proven guilty." This certainly is thanks to President Bush - and his bending over to worship at the feet of Leftists.

But let's talk about the freedoms and liberties that the Left has attacked, but which the media fully agrees with.

In 1906, if a politician invoked the name of supreme deity, he was applauded. In 1906, children weren't thrown out of school for reading the Bible on their own time. In 1906, people had guns in their homes, on their buggies, at work, and they didn't need them because criminals knew that they would DIE if they attacked the wrong person. Now, it is a crime in a very great many places, including Washington DC and Chicago for an individual to own ANY guns for self defense.

In 2006, all those liberties are gone.

In 1906, if a farmer wanted to dam up a stream to make a pond for his horses, he did it. If he wanted to irrigate a field, he did it. If he wanted to cut down a tree, he did it. If a homeowner wanted to put a tall flagpole on his property, he did it.

In 2006, thanks to the Left, a farmer is forbidden to even TOUCH a "wetland" area. If he cuts down a tree without performing an "environmental impact survey", he gets arrested. Homeowners get thrown out of their homes if they put up a flagpole or a shrine to the Virgin Mary in their own yard.

In 1906, all over the country, courthouses and communities placed monuments with the 10 Commandments, crosses, and other religious icons on them in parks, in the courthouses, in the public arena. In 2006, the city of San Diego is still fighting to keep a long-standing monument that includes a cross. And it looks like San Diego is going to lose the battle. The city of Los Angeles had to remove a symbol from its seal, because it indicated the fact that Los Angeles started as a Catholic Mission. History is rewritten, and the religious (christian) elements of US society are spat upon by the Left, and their willing accomplices - the mainstream media.

While the left, and the media, complains about nonexistent attacks on liberty and human rights from the Right, they, the Left and the media, successfully accomplish their attacks on the social and historical values of the entire country.

At least in my opinion.

Edited: Nighthawk on 23rd Jun, 2006 - 2:50pm

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Hasn't the, "Bush knew," and "Bush lied" thing has been blown out of the water with the recent finding of over 500 chemical warheads?

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Difference is the in Bosnia a warlord was committing MASS racial extermination. His reason for going to war was the same as Bush Sr. It was valid for the salvation of an entire group of people.

You are exactly correct. Another reason why Clinton was not a good president either. However, Oliver North told a Republican Congress and President during Reagan's last term that Osama Bin Laden was the most dangerous man on the planet because he and his people had been highly trained by the CIA. He said they knew exactly who and where he was, yet we failed to get him then too. So looks like the negative is not isolated to the hated Democrat president Clinton.

Which atrocities with no evidence? The Red Cross and Amnesty International have investigated, even gone into the Abu Ghariabi prison and both deemed that it violated basic human rights, all US laws on torture, and the US backed Geneva Convention. Two independent groups witnessed it, that's evidence enough for me.

Well sure it is. The problem is that you think the media is simply beating down conservatives. Problem is that not enough information has been given. The situation is worse than you or anyone else wants to admit because Bush is "your guy". Sorry, but the media has been failing to tell the whole story about our government for years. You just view it as a personal attack on your side of the political fence when we independents have seen one president after another get away with murder, literally in Clinton's case.

Finding 500 chemical war-heads, empty, with the residue being inactive for at least ten years, is the war-heads you are talking about? No, that information strengthens the fact that no wmd's existed. If it was proof, Bush would have jumped all over it say "I told you so!"

If you could see your view from outside the conservative view you would see that all of us have had rights taken away. When a president is trying to pass laws regarding morality, like banning gay marriage, then you cannot make claims that everyone is against the religious right because it's a cliche and outdated statement in today's world. The fact is that you don't have anymore right to claim loyalty to god in a public office than you do to say that god doesn't exist if you are in public office. But if someone said that they would be skinned alive, yet creation can be forced on children as science which to me is ludicrous! Your liberties are being taken away? You can't pray in school but the force my kids to learn that a supreme being created the universe in science class? That argument serves only to anger as those of us non-believers get forced to accept right wing conservative beliefs as fact whether we want to hear it or not! As for my liberties? Let's talk about real problems like government spying. I don't care what argument is, I do not approve of secret CIA and FBI kidnappings, US citizens being deemed domestic terrorists for committing a crimes, recording my phone calls with no warrant, pulling my financial records and others like library records with out warrant, holding 'suspected terrorists" indefinitely without charge or bail. If people actually read what was in the Patriot Act maybe you would realize the foundation set in place in this country!

Um, they are in chains based on eye witness testimony and complaints from the Iraqi people. We are in an illegal occupation, you can't do what ever you want. You can't say we are there for them then disregard their complaints about our troop's behavior in their country. As for charges, we hold others with out charge the same way, as well as the Iraqi prisoners without charges, they aren't treating our troops any different that anyone else. Don't like it? Welcome to the Patriot Act, its good to see that someone notices that we are being screwed!

I agree with most of this. But then it's all part of the same system I am against. Again, the problem is that you only have a problem with the part that effects your beliefs, not the fact that people not of belief are getting dropped as well.

Right, it's an attack on the social and historical values of the ENTIRE country. No, it's only viewed as an attack on your beliefs by people with your beliefs. It's interesting that I acknowledge that whets been done to your beliefs is wrong but you will not acknowledge that my views of my rights being violated is valid. You cannot have that victim mentality that the whole government accepts Bush is against your values trying to tear it down. That's what separates our beliefs and divides us which are what they want as they slowly eliminate both of our liberties. When we should both be working towards ensuring that I can believe how I want and you can as well, we are busy arguing that one party is better than the other. Remember that we have had six years of republican conservative senate, house, judicial, and presidency. Why haven't the "right wings" agenda of getting all those values just been passed through easily? Because they aren't fighting for those rights, you are, they aren't fighting for anyone's rights, and none of them are.

And thus comes to the heart of the matter, it's the filthy attitude that it's the right versus the left. That it's conservative versus liberal. Divide and conquer, our government knows how to stop us from making a difference and actually running our own country. How many of you reading this actually believe that the party you side with most, conservative or liberal is really out for your best interest?

Finding 500 chemical war-heads, empty, with the residue being inactive for at least ten years, is the the war-heads you are talking about? No, that information strengthens the fact that no wmd's existed. If it was proof, Bush would have jumped all over it say "I told you so!"


Edited: konquererz on 9th Jul, 2006 - 3:21am

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They weren't empty, and the residue, while old, was perfectly capable of being used. They were charged. They were old, but deadly. And the UN inspectors never found them. That proves that the UN inspectors weren't very effective in their work, and since Hussein wouldn't account for the WMDs that Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Teddy Kennedy, John Kerry, and, incidentally George W. Bush, all claimed that he had, do you REALLY still want to go with the "Bush Lied, People Died" meme?

Is the government taking away liberties from everyone? Absolutely. Whether the left want to believe it or not, when they succeed in taking guns away from everyone, they are taking liberty away from themselves.

The fight against gay marriage is a perfect example. There has NEVER been a "right" or privilege of "gay marriage" in the US. So, there isn't a right or liberty to take away. At the same time, I wasn't and am not currently, in favor of a Constitutional Amendment dealing with it.

Civil rights is a great example of the cultural wars between the left and the right. Who pushed the Voting Rights Act through? Was it the Democrats? The media sure makes it sound like it was. How about the great Civil Rights Act? Again, the media makes everyone think that it was the Democrats, and the Left that brought these things about. But it was the "religious right", and the Republicans who pushed those through. Who provides more jobs for other people? Is it the Left or the Right?

I don't believe that it is our government that is placing the Left and the Right against each other. It is the media, who loves to cause problems because it sells stories.

In my opinion.

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Then it sounds like in reality we agree more than we realize. Because I don't believe that there is a real difference between the right and the left, but rather that they clog the real issues with battles over legislated morality that never get passed and there never was an intention of passing them. Remember, the democrats also wanted to go to war for the most part, the vote was fairly lop sided. And yes, the media is indeed fueling this divide because its good news and they don't want to report what is really happening.

As for the chemical weapons, I suppose this opinion truly depends on which report you want to believe, I choose to believe the first one put out by independent news. I don't believe they could be used any more. As for the "bush lied" meme, well, I understand the idea of a meme complex, but the evidence is rather extraordinary. I believed this due to the actual evidence that came out long before it was popular to say it. Indeed, nearly every opinion about government takes on the trappings of a meme complex in our society. Just look at the fact that nearly every right wing conservative says the exact same things about Clinton, he had an affair. Well sure he did, and sure he was a bad president, but does anyone really know the real reason? Not many, he was a freakin crook and a murderer, it had nothing to do with having an affair and lying about it, that was a wonderful little hobgoblin creation to mask the fact that he was neck deep into Whitewater and everyone else involved was dying.

In short, the media indeed has created the ultimate environment for the government to get away with anything. They have created an artificial believe by the american public that there is some sort of difference between the two parties now. The attitude of nearly every right wing conservative is that the democrats are trying to make this country an atheist state and tax us to death. The attitude of left wing liberals is that the republicans are trying to make this country into a theocracy where morals are forced on us. The fact of the matter is that if we all listened to news organizations that did not have major lobbyist in the government like Ted Turner and Ruppert Murdock, then perhaps we could have an accurate picture of what was going on. I have an independent news special that just came out regarding the election antics. The fact is that nothing about that "re-count" in florida was right. In fact if the media would have been honest, the Gore and Bush would have been in some serious legal trouble for some very real criminal voter fraud. Bush in Florida and Gore else where. But the media played it much differently didn't they, making us each chose a side when both where corrupt. Its the attitude that one side must be on our side when the reality is that we are no longer holding our government accountable and the media no longer holds them accountable either. It doesn't matter if its Bush or someone else in office, they will print just enough to sound non-biased, but they are all quid pro quo, making sure the REAL story never gets shown to the vast majority of the american public. They aren't Bush bashing, they are doing the same thing they did with Clinton, telling the least alarming part of the story to protect them from the really bad stuff they are doing.