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Yes Adele you are right every creed and race finds an equal place but homosexuality is against the Trinidadian Criminal Code and also Section 13 of the s-xual Offenses Act criminalises buggery. Buggery means s-xual intercourse per anum by a male person with a male person or by a male person with a female person. And Section 16 of the s-xual Offenses Act relates to serious indecency. An act of 'serious indecency" is an act, other than s-xual intercourse (whether natural or unnatural), by a person involving the use of the genital organ for the purpose of arousing or gratifying s-xual desire.
Bottom line it is not legal to be gay in Trinidad, you may not be charged but it is still not legal. Now because it is not legal, same sex marriage cannot be allowed nor will it become legal, unless the sections of the s-xual Offenses Act mentioned above are either removed or amended to allow gay unions.
Being gay is not a belief or a religion, it is a practice or behavior if you will, so the every creed and race being equal still does not apply.
Also even though our late Prime Minister would have used those words, they are originally the words in our National Anthem written by Patrick Castagne. So it is not Dr Eric Williams words or thought or expression per say, it is just words our Prime Ministers like to use to make the people feel they are all equal under their eyes and yes even our present Prime Minister has said them. Just thought I would clear that up with you.

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Shouldn't people have the right to do what they want in their PRIVATE lives? Its not like this is affecting anyone plus so many people are gay in Trinidad its not even funny.

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Not if it isn't legal. Doing that in your private life only means that you are not doing it for everyone to see but it is still illegal. What they are asking for is to be treated as equals, hence they want to included as members of society who benefits from being a citizen. They want their marriages to recognized for one and have the freedom to adopt children and so on. They also most importantly I think want to be recognized as normal people and not something to fear or hate. In Trinidad I think they have a long way to go before they achieve that goal, so until then, they all live with the stigma that society has not accepted them as equal.
Also if they are displaying affection towards one another (for example kissing or simply holding hands) doesn't that affect other people? Can't this cause confusion in children? We can argue until we are all blue in the face but the bottom line is, it is still illegal here. The law may not be fair but it is still the law thus far.

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That's what I'm saying lordryoko, it shouldn't be illegal because you are controlling what people do in their private lives. This isn't like drugs where you might drive and hit someone because your not thinking straight, this is just between consenting adults.

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Yes that is what they are hoping for. For it to be made legal as it were. As I said, to them it's not just the marriage but adopting kids, having to not hide their behaviours, being treated as how any heterosexual person is treated. They want equality. I see a proverbial can of worms opening up though. For example if the marriage is allowed, certainly one of the two would want to be classed as a woman and recognized as such. If this is allowed, we would see a lot (more) men dressing and behaving as women (using the ladies room?). Of course and vice versa too. If this is allowed then those who become teachers for example would insist that the children call them 'Miss'. See the affecting everyone else part I am talking about? I can go on about more examples but you get my point right? As you rightfully said though, between two consenting adults is ok but it doesn't stop there, does it?

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Lordryoko you said:

Where do you get this from? Seriously, this show a little ignorance on your part about the whole homosexuality topic (I don't mean any harm by that statement just pointing out a lack of knowledge). Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they want to renounce to their gender. Most gays are comfortable about being men or women and they don't wish to change. Yes, there is a portion who feels they born with the wrong sex and go through an operation and identity change but let's not confuse this group with the typical ones.

Just because in their private lives they choose roles doesn't mean they want to renounce their gender. I know it may sound confusing for those who are not very familiar with this whole topic. Anyhow...I think our laws need changing, what people do with their private lives it's their business and if we are concerned about two homosexuals holding hands or kissing we need to get kids off the tv and computer where I have seen worst!

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Are we blue in the face yet? No? Ok then, let us continue. You are right I can control what my child will see on the TV and the computer but I have no control over what my child will see in public especially if it becomes legal. So that argument holds no weight I'm afraid.
Now about me being ignorant about the facts well I guess I can just simply say that I believe you are the ignorant one. You want facts? I would just simply tell you to go to Curepe junction at night and you will see what I am talking about. Tell me, have you not seen men dressed as women and want to called women? Right now it is not legal and we are seeing it for our eyes to see. What will happen when it becomes legal? Plus the fact as you agree that there is a portion that is like that means that is is true.

Rather off topic, but...
Also the fact that people doing it in private does not make it right. Or are you going to tell me that prostitution is ok because it is between two consenting adults? Prostitution is also illegal here by the way, unless you are saying that should become legal too.

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Lordryoko:

Hey man...I think you got it wrong. What Lydia is saying is that not all gays are as the ones you just described there in curepe (you know, transvestites). There are gays who don't dress as women and don't wish to be called or treated as women therefore they wouldn't want to change their gender in any legal situation, you understand what I am saying?