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As far as my understanding of the preislamic middle east, I'd say that islam not only improved the lifestyle of the populance of Middle East but also brought them to the forefront of civilization. Furthermore, Islam was the first monothestic religion to introduce the concept of religious tolerance, of which the westren world so often brags of. The "infidels" that the Quran talks about are not people of different faith, but the people who are ungreatful to god and deny his existence. The Quran does contain violent references ,but they are not to be interpretted literally. Every religious book contains references to violence.

* As the saying goes: Guns dont kill people, people kill people.
Similiarly: Religion doesn't kill people, power hungry folks do.

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Name: frankie

Comments: konquererz,

I am a little late posting this but bear with me...

please my friend take a better look at the Quran. The Quran does not condem or encourage war, it only states that he who is under attack has the right to defend himself as does the Bible. The Quran is not all about "death to those who don't believe in Allah". As a matter of fact Islam is a religion that openly welcomes Christians and Jews. All mosques (the Islamic equivlent of a church) allow the children of Adam to worship freely and Muslims are allowed to worship in any church or temple.

The real cause of terrorism is zionism. Yup I said it. Zionism is behind each and every single "terrorist" attack made by Muslims. Zionists who control this great country have brought our nation down by wasting billions of dollars in aid to Israel. Zionists are the ones who steer our great nation to war with the muslims rather than political negotiations. As long as America is fighting someone in the Mid East Israel can go about its business killing innocent Palestinians and terrorizing whats left of that once sovereign nation. Zionists are the ones who forced America to become allies with the one Jewish Nation and become enemies with the rest of the region.

Israel and Zionism are the real terrorists!
Islam is the scape goat!
America got stuck doing the dirty work!
Wake up Americans, there are more Muslims that are angry with America in this world than there are Zionists in this world!

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Name: Atif

Comments: I am a Muslim, I live in the west. I have a bit of knowledge about Islam. I don't believe media any more, I don't believe what reasons they may tell us for the wars.

I do believe in Secret services (sounds weird, but you know what I mean).

For the people saying they have read Quran, does it say anything about Muslims killing Muslims?
So if these guys are such good Muslims why are they killing Muslims?
Could there be more to it than we know?
Could it have anything to do with oil? money?
Could it have anythig to do with Secret services of a powerful nation trying to achieve its own goals?

Who know?
One thing for sure you don't know

I read an article which said that the biggest threat to capitalism after commonisiam is/was Islam, may be that had something to do with it

I saw a film years ago called the long kiss good night in which the US government cuts CIA budget, so CIA plan to blow a few places up in US, they plan to blame it on muslims to increase their budget.

I don't know who or what to believe regarding the wars.

As for the killing ordered in the holy books, its also in bible
Ever heard or read
Eye for an eye... And so on? Its in the bible

But does it mean go around killing?
Do Bible/Quran really mean go around killing people who don't believe?

There are a lot of KKK in the US, I think those guys are called right wing Christians (not sure if its right or left, but you know what I mean)
Because of the KKK and Hitler It would be very stupid of me to start a blog to question Christianity's existence.

As for the existence of Islam
My son that for ALLAH's choice not yours, hence we are here

There are 3 types of people.
1 who cause a problem
2 Who blame others for the problem
3 Who think about fixing the proble and do something to rectify the problem if they get the chance or idea

People (Muslims, Christians, Jews) making war are type 1
you people blaming others are type 2
Type 3 are very rare, one just wrote the above

Source 1: Quran
Source 2: Bible

Message Edited... Persephone: Before submitting your comments please use good grammar, check your spelling and remember that names of places and people begin with an uppercase letter.

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Name: Anonymous

Comments: Why born to be Muslim? Why can't a person itself from Muslims' family can't decide their own religion? What will happen in 200 years time with the incredible speed of a Muslim man marrying many wives giving birth with all Muslim babies? What's the purpose of having such "Muslim law"?

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This is the same previous post for me in this thread,but since JB pointed out it was written in bad way and jumpled together I thought to rearrange it so that people would be able to understand it:
To Winfred: Some of the verses you provided here to prove violence in Quran are not correct

1-Your qoute was

The correct

2-Your qoute was

The correct verse is

3-Your qoute was

The correct verse is

4-Your qoute was

this verse is actually correct but completely taken from content and to show you that read the verses before it

see it makes completely different meanning in its right place!

5-Your qoute was

The correct verse

The verse refers to those People of the Book who lived in Arabia. Like the idolaters they too had been actively hostile to Islam and had planned and plotted to exterminate it. Muslims were, therefore, ordered to fight them unless they agreed to live as loyal and peaceful subjects.
6-Your qoute was

The correct verse

about this verse I think your source didn't conseider "in the name of Allah, the Gracious,the Merciful" that we say in the beginning of every surah as verse that's why there is difference in the number of the quoted verse anyway I'm going to put the explanation of this verse actually this verse wasn't general it was about
a specific fight between muslims who ran away form mecca to madina after the people of mecca tortured them and this was the first battle between them so they weren't just any disbeleivers they were disbeleivers who tortured and killed many of muslims

7-Your quote was

The correct verse

the difference here again is just from the numbers and the explanation Muslims hated war not because they were afraid of it; but because they did not like to shed human blood; also because they thought that a peaceful atmosphere was much more conducive to the spread and propagation of Islam than a state of war.
and as if you may notice here it was about fighting in general not fighting or killing any non-muslim.

8-Your quote was

The correct verse

this verse means:Idolatry springs from superstition and fear; and one possessed of superstition and fear can never be truly brave.
so this verse is actually not about fighting at all it says that God will throw horror in their hearts from my opinion if they don't beleive in Islam at all or Qur'aan then this doesn't really feel like a threaten for them as this verse is not ordering fighting.

to here ends my corrections to the qoutes and about the qoutes that there were difference in number actually this is no big deal at all as some muslims count that first verse and some say it without counting it and it's not a big thing but they weren't exactly in their right content that's why I commented on them

I'd love to add some other verses that explain the general way islam looks at non-muslim people

Sorry about any inconvenience I caused by the previous post here and I really hope you can get this better ,Peace on you all.

Rather off topic, but...
p.s. I used the quote tags correctly but somehow it wouldn't work

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JB: No they weren't put properly, you had an extra tag in there but I appreciate the fix so now I will delete your other Post. Thanks.

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Name: Focus

Comments: To the original question... The world wouldn't be any less violent. There would be some other name out there where violence is conducted. If it isn't under the name of "Islam" then it might have "Zionist" or "Crusader" or "IRA" or whatever else. Man just is naturally a warmonger and uses religion or politics to instigate war. It's easier to use religion though because you tend to get more loyalists.

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Name: Hus

Comments: This is a reply to 'Konquererz'. You say that much of the war in the world is because of Islam or Muslim countries. What Muslim countries ? Oh ! you meant the former British/french and now the American colonies called Egypt, Pakistan, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, infact the whole of the Muslim world. Hosni Mobarak, the president of Egypt has been held in power by the Americans for the last 40 yrs, Pakistani president Mosharaf and now Zardari was selected and backed by the Americans. There was no elections. This is happening across the Muslim world. Your tyrannical games are being exposed. You sound like someone paid to parrot the age old deceptions/witch hunts to achieve your political agendas of global hegemony. Viewers read this book "confessions of an economic hitman". There are many more books like that.

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I am not a big fan of Islam, probably because of my nationality and upbringing. However from my basic understanding of it, this is not a bad religion. It has been twisted and made bad by groups of people who wish to use its doctrine for war. I would say without this religion certain people would be violent and hateful still.

The doctrine is not to blame in my opinion, but those who abuse it for their means.

Edited: Oliron on 8th May, 2010 - 1:03am