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What JB said about rehab made me think of a Stake President who knows someone who was addicted to porn, so when the man decided to stop being addicted to porn, he stop shopping, or going into any store, that had any magazine, book, or ANYTHING that COULD trigger his addition. I feel that is like an ostrich putting its head in the sand, ignoring the deeper, more real, reason of their addiction. Have you heard the saying, "drink my problems away"?

These "pat" or simple answers remind me of the simple, one size fits all answers of motivational speakers, or of sports, where if you think you can, you can; if you try hard enough, you will reach your goal. All these statements forget the most important part of the process, SKILL. You have to have BOTH the will and the skill or knowledge to succeed. In this case that means if you have an addiction you have to both want to stop, AND have the skill, or knowledge to stop. In the Church book I talked about, it tells people more than "Don't do drugs", this or any other pat answer does nothing to address the problem. I"ve never done drugs, so my statement of "don't do drugs" will mean nothing to a person that has done drugs most of their life. This statement will make you look stupid, and I can almost hear the response of a drug user, "Come back, after ten years of doing drugs, THEN tell me the best way of quitting."

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Name: Ryan

Comments: Classic. We learned in the mission field that a doubt or concern can hinder progress. If someone has a sincere curiosity or doesn't understand a particular concept then the concern really does need to be addressed before that person can move forward in the lesson. What bothers me even more than that is how few times I've seen someone use real life examples of the doctrine that is being discussed. Take forgiveness, for example. Discussion can be had around the atonement all day. We can talk about how we are commanded to forgive and the nature of a person who is forgiving. But lets take it even further and find a way to get better at it. A way to practice. I always propose that you start when your car enters the Interstate in Utah. If you can learn to forgive drivers in Utah then you are very close to translation. We are supposed to teach and learn from the spirit. If I ever had someone answer my question with something like, "It isn't important to your salvation," I would immediately feel frustrated and unimportant and it would probably result in me not asking any more questions. Ultimately, it would hinder my progress for spiritual knowledge. It's simply inconsiderate, much like drivers in Utah...

It Is Not Important For My Salvation... Studies Doctrine Mormon

Hey LDS forever, in a little light minded-ness, whenever I read some of your threads on this subject I keep having this feeling of wanting to duck in front of my laptop .

In all seriousness though I read the threads between you and wordwriter and I do have to say that I think that what he is saying makes sense. I'm not disagreeing with you. I think there's a purpose with the standard teachings in the sunday schools.

In order for those to understand deeper doctrine they have to first be consistently practicing the basic doctrines. And sure, we all know that. As we see though with Nephi, after having the revelation of knowing that his seed would fall, went amongst his brethren and found them in a debate about what their father lehi had said on a certain revelation. He asked them why they haven't asked the lord.

Well Laman and Lemuel obviously have not been practicing basic doctrine. They never have seem to understand the ways of the lord and even had seen an angel! Now they're under pure condemnation!

I think we go to church with people who are not perfect. Some at certain levels of testimoney and spirituality. In my opinion I think sharing deep doctrine to people who are not spiritually ready to receive it, for them can be confusing and maybe even problematic for them. In some threads I have read, I.e. LDS confesions, there are people I believe they still need those " pat" answers- like a prescribed dose!

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My issue is whether or not there is such a thing as "deep" or "basic" doctrine. Why do we consider topics such as Plural Marriage or Calling and Election Made Sure "deep" when the early members learn this in Sunday School meetings? Are we indirectly saying we have regressed as a church from 1830 to now? If so, why?

In my opinion, it is only when the subject becomes "controversial" in nature is when you hear the answer of "It is not important for our salvation".

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Hey LDS forever, in a little light minded-ness, whenever I read some of your threads on this subject I keep having this feeling of wanting to duck in front of my laptop.

How come?

How come?

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Let's put it this way:

We have the doctrine that each baptized member of the church has the privilage of recieving personal revelation from the Lord. For us that is not deep doctrine. Now try telling this to some one who is not a member of our church and see there response. Now to them that is a deep doctrine.

Let me give you things that also relate to this:

I think it was in James E. Talmage book " Jesus the Christ" where he explained the reason why he taught in parables. I think he explained that theses parables where ment for people who where at a low spiritual understanding so they can at least grasp somewhat of the concept.

The apostles in jerusalem could never grasp the concept of what was to happen to christ when he died and afterwards, even though he explained it to them.

There was time's as a missionary there where certain times where people would ask deep doctrinal stuff in front of others to me and when I answered it.

Even Joseph Smith said to Brigham Young that if the saints knew even a portion of the commandments of god half the saints would fall away from the church. And Brigham said " Well don't tell me. I dont want to fall away."

Oh, perfect example, bring up polygamy and say it's an eternal principle to whom ever and watch them go! Believe me. Bring it up in relief society and see how many "hmmfff"s you get from certain sisters.

It all depends on how one is ready to recieve it. Line up on line, precept on precept. And I think if one is sincerely searching through fasting and prayer and reading scriptures and auxilery books they will be rewarded with thier answers.

That duck thing was to poke fun. This thread seemed like one you where really into. I wasn't trying to be offensive.

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Well, most people are uncomfortable with the topics they refer to as "deep doctrine" and there will always be (a cycle) therefore, are we saying we will keep talking about the "basics" until the very end? Since new members constantly join? It's a kindergarden where there will never be a graduation.

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That duck thing was to poke fun. This thread seemed like one you where really into.

That's because you did not see the LDS Mature board.

That's because you did not see the LDS Mature board.

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It seems we are pretty much going to stay in the kindergarten stage. Don't get me wrong, I love the truth and I want to know the deeper meaning like you all do. I Don't know if you all have read the Joseph Smith papers. If you read it you will find that Joseph really struggled to keep the church on path and deal with a lot of apostasy. It was heart breaking at times to read. And if there where certain things wrong with it back then can you imagine it now.

I'm not saying the Church of Jesus Christ I'm saying it is some of the members, some wards, and some branches. I think there is a long way to go before the church is ready to receive deeper doctrine I.e. The other side of the gold plates.

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It Not Important My Salvation... Mormon Doctrine Studies - Page 4

Wow; first off I'd like to say: I really enjoyed reading all the different opinions on the need to understand doctrines both known and unknown. There are many good points made by both parties.
I myself know that if the Spirit is leading us to search deeper into Church doctrines than we should oblige, and although many members are not encouraged to do so we should always follow the dictates of the Spirit over the counsel of another member, even if the member is in authority over us. I say this because many times the Bishop or Elders quorum president or whoever it might be does not fully understand the whisperings of Spirit that might be given to us, so it is up to us to move forward in faith, sometimes on or own.
I know that there is no doctrine that is not important to our salvation or else why else is it given. I do believe it was Joseph Smith who said: "That we are saved no sooner than we attain knowledge"(or something to that effect). My point is that we should never stop growing in knowledge of the doctrine, but of course it is here a little there a little.
Another thing I'd like to stress is that the main reason we are not encouraged to endulge ourselves into all Church doctrines is because the Church is trying to shelter us from somethings that society has termed offensive, and they do not want members to lose faith because there traditions contradict gospel doctrines, so we are encourage to stick with the basics.
A scripture I'd like to share that I feel is perfect for this topic is; Romans 14. This whole chapter deals with the different levels of faith and how we should go about treating one another in this regard. We should take special note of what is said in verse 17, wherein we are counseled:

Now after reading this scripture you will most likely think: "This guy doesn't know what he's talking about", because the scripture talks about the eating of flesh and how it offends those who see eating flesh as a sin, but look deeper into the principles taught within the chapter and you will see how meat can be termed as Heavy Doctrine and herbs can be the basic or "milk" for babes. Again in verse 2 it states: "another, who is weak, eateth herbs", weak in what? Well, faith of course!
The best thing we can do is search within ourselves and see where our faith is and go from there. Always let the Spirit guide us and never get discouraged. As far as discussing it with other members you must use wisdom and seek those who like yourself want to understand Church doctrine.

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