What Is The "mark Of Cain"?

What Mark Cain - The Bible Revealed - Posted: 16th Dec, 2008 - 7:42pm

Text RPG Play Text RPG ?
 

Posts: 4 - Views: 3236
Post Date: 17th Feb, 2005 - 6:52pm / Post ID: #

What Is The "mark Of Cain"?
A Friend

What Is The "mark Of Cain"?

15And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. Genesis 4:15

If the Bible is true, what would it mean to be descended from Cain? What, if anything, is the mark of Cain? Is it a curse, a blessing or something else?

Some, like Laurence Gardner, claim that Jesus, and the entire Messianic line, are descendants of Cain who was himself fathered by the Serpent of Genesis. "This line of succession from Cain, through Egypt to King David and onward to Jesus, was purpose-bred to be the earthly Purveyors of the Light." From: https://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/2546/wisdom.html Laurence Gardner claims support for this from the Jewish Midrash which is traditional Bible commentary. He claims the Midrash teaches that Samael, not Adam, was the father of Cain.

According to Gardner, the Messianic line, considered the "Purveyors of the Light" were protected and promoted by organizations linked to one another and known variously as the Priory of Sion, Knights Templar or Freemasons. It is maintained by some that modern Freemasonry is but a continuation of the teachings of the Templars that got them condemned by the Holy Inquisition. I would recommend Born In Blood by John J. Robinson for and explanation of the links between modern Freemasonry and the Order of the Knights Templar. See this link: https://www.bookfinder.us/review7/0871316021.html

Some in the Ku Klux Klan (Christian Identity) teach that while Cain was indeed the son of the Serpent by Eve, the descendants of Cain, rather than being the "Purveyors of Light", are the "mud races" who are children of Satan.

"'Anglo-Israelism' as it became known, was transformed into a virulent theology of hatred by Wesley Swift, a former Ku Klux Klan firearms instructor from Lancaster, California. In 1946, Swift founded the Anglo-Saxon Christian Congregation (later called the Church of Jesus Christ Christian), preaching the message that "all Jews must be destroyed."

"Followers of Identity [Christian Identity Movement] believe they are 'saved' by "Race,' rather than "Grace". Only the white race was created by G-d. Swift attributed the appearance of the black race on earth to a battle in space fought between God and Lucifer and insisted that Jews are a result of Eve mating with the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. From this mating came Cain, the purported father of the Jews." From: https://www.texaspolicecentral.com/new_lexicon_of_hate.html

Then there is the Mormon Church that maintained that the mark of Cain was a dark skin and on the basis of this "mark" refused Blacks the priesthood of the Mormon Church until reversing this position in the 70's. It has never been refuted by the Mormon Church that Jesus married and had descendants (some of whom, it was suggested, held the Presidency of the Mormon Church) though such has been preached from Mormon pulpits. See: https://www.emnr.org/papers/jesusmarry.htm

This puts the Mormon Church in the position of denying Gardner's claim that Jesus is a descendant of Cain if it is going to claim that Cain's descendant's are cursed and its "inspired" leadership is descended from Jesus. Curiously, however, Joseph Smith Jr.'s genealogy to Jesus agrees with Gardner's genealogy that maintains the Merovingian's were biological descendants of Jesus.

"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprive of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind. The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race -- that they should be the "servants of servants;" and they will be, until that curse is removed; and the Abolitionists cannot help it, nor in the least alter that decree." LDS Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 290, 1859

There is a linkage between these ideas on the mark of Cain and what it means to be descended from Cain although the conclusions would appear to be contradictory. Laurence Gardner maintains that the Messianic bloodline of Cain and Jesus as "Purveyors of the Light" has been preserved to this day by guardians that included the Knights Templar and their descendants, the Freemasons who themselves bestow "light" as the first symbol given an initiate. The Ku Klux Klan was begun by a former Confederate General who based its secretive organization on his Masonic Lodge and called it Ku Klux, after the Greek word for circle, in reference to the circle that surrounds the Blazing Star in the floor of a Masonic Lodge. I am NOT saying that all Freemasons are Klansmen, OK?

What then is the mark of Cain? What does it mean to be a descendant of Cain? Would a descendant of Cain be a purveyor of illumination, the spawn of Satan, the chosen race, "mud" race or something else?

Message Edited!
Persephone: Offtopic and unrelated text removed.

Sponsored Links:
Post Date: 18th Feb, 2005 - 7:01am / Post ID: #

What Is The "mark Of Cain"?
A Friend

Cainquot quotmark The What

First off, I would appreciate keeping the posts just a bit shorter so I don't have to write down major points of your argument just so I can respond.

First, when you read the scripture again, it mentions Cain specifically. Everywhere else in the Bible where it states curses and sins, it specifies if the curse is passed down through the generations. This curse was specific to Cain alone and gives no indication that it would go further.

Second, no writings excepted as scripture or authentic indicate that Cain was a descendant of the serpent and Eve. Remembering also that Jews do not consider the Serpent to be the devil, but just what he is stated as. Cain was the descendant of Adam and Eve going by all excepted scripture and writings. Samael was an angel, not Satan until later in the Biblical mythology that evolved.

Third, most of the writings you are talking about was not `found` until slavery had been started. This argument was most likely started to justify the enslavement of another race of people and even the abolishment of other races. Brigham Young was just as blind to the evils of slavery that every American president before Abraham Lincoln was.

Fourth, there is not reason to believe that the `Mark of Cain` was anything but what the Bible and ancient writings say it was, a physical mark that would insure that no one would kill Cain due to his curse. The curse of Cain is not specified in anyway shape or form. The mark of Cain was not his curse, it was his protection.

Read Genesis 4:1-2 about who was Cains parents.

Post Date: 16th Dec, 2008 - 10:42am / Post ID: #

What Is The "mark Of Cain"? Revealed Bible The

Name: Chris

Comments: Hi, I just saw your comments and wanted to add that I don't think the "mark of Cain" was intended to be a "curse". In reality, this mark was to protect Cain.

"And the LORD said to him, "Therefore, whoever kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold." And the LORD set a mark on Cain, lest anyone finding him should kill him." Genesis 4:15 (see vv 10-15 for context)

"The mark of Cain was not a brand placed on him by the Lord identifying him for life as his brother's murderer. The mark was not an indication of the Lord's curse. Quite the opposite. After killing his brother Abel, Cain pleaded with the Lord, claiming that if he wandered the earth as a fugitive he would have no one to protect him and he himself would be slain.

Notice that Cain did not fear he would be killed because he was a murderer. He feared for his life because he would be traveling in exile without family and without a kinsman to act as blood-avenger. In primitive societies where there was no centralized authority, a key deterrent to violent crime was the fear of reprisal from the victim's kinsmen."

16th Dec, 2008 - 7:42pm / Post ID: #

Cainquot quotmark The What

The curse upon Cain is very simple.

QUOTE (genesis 4)
12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.


So it means he will be able to grow no food and forced to beg for all he needs. Given the ground he tilled being his wife and the children the had also followed in murder. That child was also marked so none will slay.

Now you can argue that black are the decedent but then I ask you how if you believe the Bible is correct then how say can Black be descended from a man who's family was wiped out in the great flood?

Let me lay this our real clear.

Adam - Seth- Enos - Cainan - Rahdaleel - Jared - Enoch - Methuselah - Lamech - Noah.

Now this linage does not account for the wives I will grant ye that. So If no sons of cain or Able were found virtuous in God's eye then how could any alive today bare Cain's mark? The only mark is the black mark one has on their soul after committing sin.




 
> TOPIC: What Is The "mark Of Cain"?
 

▲ TOP


International Discussions Coded by: BGID®
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED Copyright © 1999-2024
Disclaimer Privacy Report Errors Credits
This site uses Cookies to dispense or record information with regards to your visit. By continuing to use this site you agree to the terms outlined in our Cookies used here: Privacy / Disclaimer,