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Name: Phill

Comments: It is incorrect to say that white people are more intelligent than Black people. It is however correct that the "average" I.q . Of white people is higher than the average I.q. Of black people. This is true according to the results of some studies. Wikipedia has an article on I.q. By nation. The links that I have included as sources link to that article and a graph that appears in that article.
Of course when you look at data that claims to support a statement you also have to analyze the data, the methods used to create the data, and the statements made about the data. To say that the average I.q. Of whites is higher than that of blacks does not mean that the most intelligent white person is more intelligent than the most intelligent black person.
As for the comments about more crimes committed by black people in a particular area, you have to realize that a newspaper can be biased. Just because you see more articles about black people committing crimes does not mean that there were more crimes committed by black people. It only means that more of these crimes were reported. The same goes for Television reports as well.
I have also read many posts on this topic that state something along the lines of, "If you lived close to black people like I do you would know blacks commit more violent crimes than white people". Maybe that is true about your neighborhood or the individuals living there at that time, but it is incorrect to then extend that conclusion to all people in all places and all times. After all, every ethnic group has had members of that ethnic group commit violent crimes somewhere sometime.
In conclusion, remember, statistics can be misleading and the conclusions made from these results can be incorrect. Also, Intelligence is not an accurate indicator of actual performance.

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Is Racism Still Alive in America?
By Cesar Chelala

Violence is an inescapable companion to racism. And violence, or violent outbursts racially motivated, are certainly on the increase in the you.S. Threats against President Obama have increased by 400% since President George W. Bush left office, the highest numbers on record. Ref. Source 4

Are Blacks More Likely To Commit Crime? History & Civil Business Politics

Name: Mini

Comments: I am from the Caribbean and honestly, living within a relatively small population of less than 1.5 million, the likelihood of being targeted by crime is a serious issue. I was a victim of crime in 2003 and I teach in an Urban school. From my own observation as a teacher, social issues of abandonment and neglect by black families is very predominant. Children are very disillusioned by abandonment or the prevailing culture of the "Black" sections of the society. Others races of similar financial standing culturally believe that education plays an important role in the fight against poverty. Upward mobility is likely for those who seek an education. Culturally I have found that "Afro-locals" of lower standing generally do not value education. Their parents are unlikely to value education as well. In my country these people are given most everything: free housing, education (up to tertiary level), free food and books for children, welfare, food chits, grants for home repair and preferential treatment in national housing schemes due to political affiliation. These people are give quite a head-start in life yet they are still unproductive. I had one student say to me that he did not need to study because he could get easy money; suggesting that the drug trade would be his future money earner. I have found that generally the 'ghetto culture" is one of laziness, grand expectation with little labor and a "take what I can because I need it attitude." People like to blame slavery but many different groups have been enslaved as well.
Most of the crime in my country is committed by men of African descent. There was also a phase when kidnapping Indians was the norm and the criminals were generally of African descent. The government did very little and many Indian went missing or were killed. Many Indian families have since migrated and I am also considering this for the future of my family. Do I want my children looking behind their backs all the time?
As a teacher I know that these "marginalized" children do not want an education; they want easy money, sex and all the things that those rap artiste flash about in their music videos. They will also take it from anyone who they consider vulnerable and they do not value life. Those who have inner conviction and study become productive members of society.

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I would say blacks are probably more justified in committing crimes. They are given almost no chance at a regular life in comparison to whites. Let's see that ratio, the ratio of opportunities given to both groups.

I have to say if you were to actually study some history of African Americans, you will find that they are the target of racial profiling all threw Americas history. I cannot say how many times I have seen African Americans being mistreated and forced into less favorable situations.

Often African Americans are put in jail for crimes they did not commit. Corruption in the police force combined with the social climate of, "its ok, don't worry they are not like us, they are black" allows other races (namely whites) to justify any type of crime against minorities.

I do not think blacks are more likely to commit crimes. I think they are likely to be blamed for things that are out of their hands.

Yet I think bringing up this topic in the way it is being brought up by Queen Latifah is more for ratings than for any real longing for understanding. I think bringing this man on was an attempt to rile up the crowd and to get people talking about her show.

Rather off topic, but...
I hope racist people understand that racism is what is causing each others creed to become segregated. The more races are segregated the more racism grows.

Edited: Oliron on 8th Apr, 2010 - 7:39pm

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I would say that no one is justified in committing crimes or allowing themselve to become criminals. Those things are 100% in the hands of the person that does the illegal activity. They don't have to do it. There is no one forcing them to break the law. Have all the sympathy you want for them...empathize with their situation...but don't condone illegal behavior because it was easier than taking the hard road.

Honestly, in the company I work for, blacks/african americans actually have very good opportunities and with a goal of promoting minorities...they have an advantage at times. However, they do have to get the degree that puts them in the position of getting these opportunities. Now...college is open to all. Student loans are available and they actually prefer to give them and pell grants to minorities. But you actually have to go to school and get the degree for the plan to work!

I would dare say that the overwhelming majority of the people in jail actually did something to put themselves in jail. The prisons are not full of people that didn't do it. Although, I am sure the criminals would tell you that...

Poverty and education are key drivers to criminal activity. Have enough money and you arent commiting crimes that cops keep track of easily. Highly educated individuals are not commiting crimes that cops keep track of easily. As you note, I am not saying that they don't commit crimes, but I would definitely say that they commit less, because they don't see it as easier or more advantageous than going to work.

I will actually agree with this statement. However, I would actually ask what each group has done to not be segregated...what have they done to join the "melting-pot" that is america. Has the creed or group specifically devoted most of their energy to defining their differences or have they worked on figuring out their niche in the melting pot? The Irish were horribly descriminated against in early american history (NINA...no irish need apply and many were indentured servants) but yet they have blended into the american landscape. Jews, Chinese, Japanese, Germans, Cubans, Hispanics, etc...they have all joined the melting pot.

So back to the question...are blacks more likely to commit crimes? I would say that it wouldnt matter what race you were, but in the condition that the people who are committing crimes are in...white, asian or black...they will have a higher chance of ending up in jail. As Bill Cosby eluded to in his speech (post I put near the beginning of this thread), actually be parents to your children, get an education, dress appropriately, speak english and good things will follow. Drop out of school, get your girlfriend pregnant at 15, run around with your pants hanging off you butt, hang around drugs and speak a language that is a off-shoot of something like english and you will catch the attention of the police and if you are doing something wrong...you will go to jail. Not only will you go to jail...it is your fault you are there.

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I highly recommend that people read that speech. It wouldnt matter if it was delivered to any different race...the base message is the same and it IS true.

Are Blacks More Likely To Commit Crime?

I just wonder if America would exist if those being mistreated did not break the law. Sometimes the law is no good and must be broken to bring real change.

Rather off topic, but...
From the way I look at it the government is forcing people to break the law, or to be a slave to the corporation and their hidden agendas.

That said I agree with the idea that we are all equal and treated fairly in America today. However that is more of an idea than an actual reality. In my opinion I would have to maintain that it is racism and poverty that is causing most of the lawlessness.

Yes, this is a looked over fact I think. I am part Irish and the mother of my child is almost full blooded Irish. I think it is easier for us to be considered like other white Americans though because we are white. It is hard after such a time to tell exactly what nationality a white person is, so we are accepted, yet still not as mutch as Germans or English I think.

African Americans have tried to enter the mix by first developing their own culture. Once they accomplished that their culture was embraced by much of present day America. However just because you are accepted does not mean you will be treated the same. Many minorities are still expected to know their place within the "melting pot".

All this is me trying to reiterate that race plays a huge part in social class. Your social standing decides your quality of life. Thus when things get bad the ones at the bottom, who already have near nothing. Usually end up with nothing or just enough to survive.

This causes those people to commit crimes out of frustration, rage, desperation, ect . . If this goes on generation after generation, stereotypes develope and stick. They stick because the people themselves begin to see themselves that way. This is the sort of segregation I am refereing to.

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Help me understand how theft, drug, assult and vandalism laws are no good? I grew up in a neighborhood that was predominantly black. Most of us went to the same elementary and highschool (actually just more than half of my black friends went to a Catholic elementary school but we all went to the same high school). We lived in a not so great area of St. Louis. Out of all my friends not one of them became a thug.

They all had one interesting thing in common. They all had fathers that lived with their mothers that would stick their foot so far up their sons/daughters butt that they would be able to taste the last county that they walked through if they did what these kids are doing today (quoting one particularly colorful father). Those parents made sure their kid was in school and if they skipped...getting busted wasnt being forced to stay at home and play X-Box or Wii all day long. So while I will totally disagree that these kids are forced into a life of crime, I will totally support that they can be forced to keep their noses clean and make something of themselves...by loving and caring parents. Is racism forcing parents to become absentee in such great numbers in the black community? I don't think so.

A 50% dropout rate...no one forced them to leave school. They are public schools. Math is still the same in a new or old book. English is still the same in a new or old book. Science is not different in a new or old book. Racism didn't force them to leave school. They left because of bad choices (getting their gf pregnant, committing a crime or just lack of caring about education) that typically are a reflection of poor or non-existant parenting.

You don't get educated and what comes next...poverty. My highschool had over 25% black enrollment. The really unfortunate part was for many of my black classmates, being good in math, science or english wasnt cool and being cool was of paramount importance. They would get harrassed by their own black peers. If they didn't have two strong parental figures in their lives they were easy prey for dropping out. Once they drop out, idle hands truly are the devil's workshop (doesnt matter about race, creed or color). Worst part was that every good black student in my highschool got opportunities that I was passed up for because I was white even though I had as good or better grades. The opportunities are there in abundance, if you apply yourself.

The company I work for has not hidden agenda. They actively look for minorities within the ranks and outside hires for upper management positions. 2 decades ago, we had a black Senior VP (he later took a spin-off company public and was the CEO). This isnt just one company. I hear this a lot in manufacturing from colllege classmates in industry. I have had a woman and a black manager already. The manager that was black was one of the best that I have ever worked for in my career. So I totally do not buy into the hidden corporate social agenda that they and the government are sponsoring. We have programs of Diversity...type it into your browser and have a look.

I bring up the Irish because they do share a fairly close history in early US history. Many of the original Irish came over as indentured servants. This is a fancy word for white slavery. I know as my mothers family entered the US in this fashion.

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History has made it sound like a good deal, but if you read you can see that it must not have been the sweet deal to get to America that our books suggests. Sold on plantations...sound familiar? Also, mistreatment at the hands of owners was not uncommon and matches stories my grandmother told me. For the trip of a lifetime (that you might survive) to the new states, you can sell yourself to someone for years of service. It was voluntary...but not actually voluntary. And they got sold for many years of sevice...not just a couple. Guy in the link above "voluntarily" signed for 14 years of fun. Looking at the average lifespan of the day and this guy was giving away easily a third of his life.

So you can say that everyone looked at us and saw we were white and let us into the club, but that is a very current view of hatred that mirrored that of jews and blacks amongst colonial America. Cartoons of Irish being labled as sub-human were not unheard of. Back then, they really didn't want to live near us or hire us because we were Irish. The Irish became accepted when they blended into the melting pot. They better controlled their drinking, unemployment, non-existent parenting problems, education and got into politics and law enforcement (cliche but true). They didn't try to define their own culture and demand that people accept it. They blended in and then worked on defining themselves. The Irish have a very strong sense of culture, which is why I mention them. But by figuring out their niche, they succeeded as they have today...they didn't seem to get a break because they were white. Remember, we had a bunch of Chinese that were treated no worse than the Irish and in some locations better. Germans and the French in general had skills that lent themselves to making their transition into the melting pot easier. It is actually funny you mention those mistreated and if America would exist. It WAS basically those mistreated (N.America was basically a British penal colony) that created America.

Honestly, I would disagree that black culture has been accepted by America. I dare say that black culture has yet to accept itself. What we call black culture today isnt a very positive model. It is what TV, radio and the scenes on the streets say it is, but is it the message that blacks want to send? You can call rap culture, but is its message one you would want your kid to subscribe to (poppin caps in cops, bangin boots with hos and rockin the gange?

Brown VS the Board of Education...
They got the brown doll and it all changed. Such a landmark victory for all blacks and in general it has been squandered. 50% dropout rates... Please read that link from Bill Cosby's speech. I so believe he has his finger on the problem and it is a problem of the black community. Get an education and all the good things that come with it and I suspect that frustration, despair and anger vanish...

I have no problem with sympathy or empathy of the situation that blacks in the US face today, but to enable criminal behavior by saying they cant help it or the white man forced him to steal that car, make those babies and drop out of school continues to hold that culture from blossoming and being a major contributor to the country that they help develop. The doors have been open for education for a LONG LONG time and there is no one standing in their way and actually there is a lot of support to get through them...there just havent been enough takers and parents arent forcing their kids to stay in school and get a good education.

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This is a great organization. It is a bit closed in scope for my taste, but the message is a good one for fathers. You create a life. You support the child. You nuture the child. It is your responsibility as the government isnt going to teach your child how to be a man. You are...

Are Blacks More To Commit Crime Politics Business Civil & History - Page 4

Name: Bree

Comments: There isn't one White person that is not somewhat racist. To say differently is a lie but I do understand why we do not present ourselves that way. It looks ignorant and to some degree it is. My better half is Native American so when a black person throws up the race card that holds little weight for me. No group of people were treated worse. I'm female, white, over 40 etc. I am open-minded. I live among all colors. I get along with all that get along with me. I do not look for problems but time after time when there is a crime committed that makes it to our one million+ populated city news it is almost always a Mexican or Black person committing it.
I could be quite vocal in my community about racism because there have been crimes committed against me or my loved ones by Blacks or Mexicans. I won't do that anywhere but here. The reason: makes me full of hate. I for certain won't do that.