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Name: Gordon

Comments: The scriptures say that Jesus Christ was Heavenly Father's Elohim's first born son and that his (Jesus') will had become the same as his Heavenly Fathers.

When Jesus Christ, as a God, physically created our world he was in the form of a spirit personage. Is it not conceivable to believe that Jesus' intelligence received a pre-earth mortal physical experience on a different planet undergoing the same kind of experiences which we are experiencing now, who having successfully fulfilled the requirements of that earth life was able to advance spiritually in his Heavenly Father Elohim's Kingdom, becoming the "first born" spiritually of Elohim's children to have his will be "completely one" with his Father Elohim?

Is it not conceivable to believe that as a "Spirit God" in Elohim's kingdom, Jesus was given power and authority to create spirit children and then a physical world for His (Jesus') spirit children to reside on, the same as His Heavenly Father had done for him?

Is it not conceivable that Jesus receives His final resurrection or the reuniting of His previous physical body and spirit as a "resurrected God personage" when he is born on his earth to atone for the sins of all of His spirit children?

And is it not conceivable to believe that now as a "resurrected God person" Jesus is able to live a sinless, perfect life on his earth, able to lay down his life to atone for our sins, as well as to resurrect it back to life again to assure us of our own resurrection some day?

And,because everything in Jesus'eternal progression of becoming a God) was only made possible under the direction of his Heavenly Father; did not Jesus command all of us (his children) to honor His Heavenly Father Elohim as our God for all of the accomplishments which he (Jesus) was able to achieve?

And, in the course of our own eternal progression, is it not the destiny of every latter-day saint aspiring to Godhood, to walk in the same path that Jesus walked?

Steps to Godhood?

1. Completing a successful (faithful) mortal experience?

2. Returning to live with our creator (Jesus) progressing to
have our wills become one with His and thereby His
Father's thus becoming a "spirit God personage"?

3. Be given power and authority by Jesus to conceive spirit
children as a "spirit God personage".

4. Be given power and authority as a "spirit God personage
"to create a world for our spirit children to live on?

5. To have our "spirit God personage" reunited with our
previous physical body on "our earth" becoming a
"Messiah God Personage" to save our spiritual posterity
(our children born in the spirit world and now living
with a mortal physical body on a physical earth which
we've created for them by atoning for their sins and
demonstrating our power over death.

Source 1: Speculation based on the writing of Joseph Smith

Body Mortal Gaining God Becoming

Name: GORDON

Comments: In the book of Jasher, p. 31, Chapter 12:38, Abraham said

This verse seems to imply that Jehovah created the spirits of all men on this earth in the spirit world of our Heavenly Father, and after creating the physical earth for them to dwell upon, succeeded in giving them a physical body upon the earth; and then as the resurrected Messiah delivers all who trust in him from all pain and death.

Source 1: Book of Jasher p. 31, Chapter 12, verse 38.

Becoming A God Before Gaining A Mortal Body Studies Doctrine Mormon

Name: Gordon

Comments: As Latter-day Saints, we are commanded to become saviors on Mount Zion and redeem our dead and living. Just as an infant learns to walk, we are also learning the importance of becoming saviors. Is not the atonement (the ultimate expression of love) the final ordinance of the gospel in becoming a God, to lay down one's life as a savior for his eternal posterity?

Source 1: Speculation based upon the writing of Cleon Skousen

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No. Jesus was God before he atoned. He was able to do this because of his stature. I am not sure why Skousen is quoted here because I know that he would say that Jesus was God before he came to earth. I know because Cleon told me that is what he believed. If this was so then I myself would have to come to an earth, with a new body, and suffer like Christ. I know that this is not doctrine, because out bodies will be resurrected and glorified, this does not make since logically. If an atonement is an ordeince then why would I have to eventually go through it, since Christ already did not me. That would seem counter-productive. In fact isn't the temple endowment an atonement ordience? We re-enact it there.

Body Mortal Gaining God Becoming

Name: Gordon

Comments: First of all, I am speculating on doctrine ...so keep that in mind.

What I am speculating on is that Jesus Christ is a title of the Priesthood, representing the ultimate progression of Godhood for each person who desires the ultimate perfection of God's character. John 15:13 "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

Cleon Skousen mentions in his book "The Gospel Trilogy" that each round of creation requires a "savior" to save it. When the church says that "Jesus Christ" provided an infinite atonement, worlds without end, I am speculating that each round of creation is produced by a new "Jesus Christ" who is the creator of spirit children and the world they live on, who is willing to prove to the "Gods" that he has developed the perfection of Godlike character by his willingness to atone or lay down his life for the sins of his future creation.

To develop God's character, every creation has to provide opposition between good and evil to allow for agency or "free will" to exist. Consequently, every round of creation has to a have a Satan and a Christ.

We are commanded in the church to take upon ourselves the name of Jesus Christ and always remember him when we are baptized and partake of the sacrament each week. We are taught in the church to become saviors on Mount Zion teaching the gospel to others, redeeming the dead, etc. I believe all of these things are preliminary to the grand and glorious event of actually becoming the savior of our own world, relishing in the knowledge that we have achieved God's perfection and character, and glory as our own.

As a result, I think that those individuals who are willing to endure and pay the price or "sacrifice" for achieving the station of a "God", desire to have their physical resurrection delayed until their wills become completely one with Jesus Christ, thus becoming another Jesus Christ to be reborn as a "resurrected God personage" on the world they've created as a "Spirit God personage" or as a "Jehovah" mentioned in the Old Testament.

Source 1: speculation

Becoming A God Before Gaining A Mortal Body

I understand this is speculation, but there is a problem, the canonized scriptures tell us that this is not so. Alma, and others say all will be resurrected. "All" is very inclusive word. So I have to say that I cannot follow you on this point.

If this is so, then you would have to say that like Christ, Satan has to be fore ordained as well. Thus a child of God is destined to go to outer darkness? This seems more of a Calvinistic logic then a LDS. Besides I do not think that Skousen would have made that leap.

Although I like to speculate myself I am not sure if I see much scripture or theology to support this.

Becoming God Gaining Mortal Body - Page 3

Name: Gordon

Comments: Con't Speculation: Just as I am speculating the Jesus Christ is the ultimate title and progression in the priesthood, I am speculating the Elohim represents the title of Eternal Father(s), and as soon as our Jesus Christ, who we know, succeeds in producing a son who will emulate all that our Jesus Christ has done; our Jesus Christ will become known to the posterity of that Son's children as "Elohim" or receive the title of "Eternal Father" joining the ranks of all other Eternal Fathers before Him.

Source 1: speculation

Becoming God Gaining Mortal Body Mormon Doctrine Studies - Page 3

I have a hard time with this idea, because I do not see "Elohim" as a rank or club for ultra perfected humans. D&C 88 and 93 make is very clear that Jesus is the "son" because his light, authority and power is depended upon the Father. Jesus is also already called the "Father" because he is the creator of heaven and earth, and it is through him we receive the light of Christ. So I do not think that this relationship will ever change. He is God because of this relationship. God or Elohim is the word to describe this relationship of divine unity which is godhood. We tend to interchange it with meaning heavenly father, through which all sources of this relationship originate. The idea of Elohim is not a title, office or club, but a term to describe God. Meaning in the Hebrew-gods. God is nothing less then the unity of divine beings who are at-one-ment.