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I understand what you are saying, the only part I think we see differently is this:

Largely because of this verse:

and verse nine is quite interesting:

As you said... it was his will or in order words He made a choice to do the things He did, He was not preprogrammed or robotic, but actually making decisive decisions along the way, and of course he was perfect in His choices.

So in keeping with the Topic I believe that the Lord, like many of those before coming to earth needed a body too... this is all part of the Plan, but because the plan is Perfect it just so happens that while He is here he also atones for us as well. Thus he further progresses toward taking up his ultimate role as Exalted God as verse 9 expresses.

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Thanks for the reply. I think we are closer to an understanding. Fist let me say, I agree with what you said. First you are right Jesus had to get a body that is the plan of salvation. So in that since of the meaning of God, he lacked this. I also agree that it was his will to atone for the sins of the world. Thus he was obedient to his own will since his will was Father's will. Thus as Hebrews 5 :8-9 says he was obedient or perfect in his suffering. Meaning that he was called on to express his obedience of his own will (or Father's will) to an extent that he never experienced.

As for grace upon grace, I think of this idea in terms of spiritual and moral development. Thus I feel that Jesus was already at this point eons ago. It was not something he had to develop here upon the earth. But that did not mean that he was not tempted, nor that he did not have to make decision. His temptations and decisions were to abandon his own will.
Thus his perfection that Paul is talking about is not development in the development that we experience, but rather expressing his obedience to his own will or I.e. the will of the Father. This in my opinion is what made his God, even thought he did not have an exulted body. It was his unity with God that made Him God. I think Jesus never really put much thought into his own progression when he came to earth, but rather his motives where more centered upon us. He had charity, and his desires were always upon us. For as John says He is Love. This is why If feel that Jesus and Father are described in the New Testament as being one and the same being. They early church really stressed this idea, almost to a fault that the trinitarian doctrine developed much later.

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I've always thought of godhood as a matter of priesthood keys or authority. In other words, a fulness of priesthood keys is a large part of what constitutes godhood. In that sense, even without a body, in the premortal existence, Jesus was a God because of the priesthood authority that our Father had endowed him with.

D&C 132 defines godhood by mentioning a god being above all things, etc... To me this denotes righteous dominion through a priesthood hierarchy, a telestial pattern of which is evident in the Church government today. Not only was Jesus a God before he had a physical body, but the Holy Ghost still lacks a physical body yet is also a God. I think it's more a matter of priesthood authority than having physical bodies or not.

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I found the following information about Christ becoming a God before coming to this Earth:

https://www.dci.dk/?artikel=663

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Ok, I might step on spiritual toes here so bear with me, please.

During sacrament services when someone is called to to serve in a position. Afterwords, we set them apart and give them the authority and keys for that position.

What if During the Grand Council after we all agreed to have Jehovah be our Messiah and Redeemer, Elohiem took Jehovah and set him apart has the messiah giving him all necessary keys and authority to handle this calling. So Jehovah (Jesus Christ) could have become the second member of the Godhead right after the Grand Council.

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I am glad you brought that point up because I clicked on this topic thinking it was about the Holy Ghost and actually learned a lot from reading it.

I have always wondered though why we teach that we needed to come to earth to GAIN A BODY so that we can become like GOD. Yet, we also teach that the Godhead has a member without a tangible body.

I know that one reason he doesn't have a body is so he can be felt everywhere, not just one person at a time, but I have always had that question floating around in my mind.

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Yes I believe that you do not need a body to become God. I think for reasons that have been posted previously. However I do believe that coming to earth to get a body is important in part of God's plan. Obviously there is value to having a body or Father would not have one nor would we desire us to have one, but as Jesus in his pre-mortal life and as the Holy Ghost shows it is not necessary for Godhood. I think that a body helps us progress and grow.
I feel that there are two types of knowledge that exist in the eternities that we are aware of. There is intellect knowledge which we learn and experimental knowledge or knowledge that we gain through experience. I think that in many ways physical bodies allows us and Father to grow in this type of knowledge. Thus not only does the atonement atone for our sins, but it allows God to feel our pains, and suffering or in other words feel, understand and experience our experiences. If God is to know all things then he has to share our experiences from our perspectives because we all experience life and a unique way. If he did not then we would have a experience and knowledge that he would not even if he understood it intellectually. But this is my opinion of course.

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Name: Gordon

Comments: Joseph Smith has stated that God was once a man like we are now living with a mortal body on an earth like we live on. The scriptures tell us that Jesus Christ does nothing but what he has seen God the Father has done. From these statements one can conclude that you need to live with a mortal body which has been subjected to good and evil before being exalted to the position of authority as a God. Since we know that Jesus Christ is Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament that created the Heavens and the Earth, etc., how is it that Jesus Christ became a God (Jehovah) before passing through a mortal existence like the one we are passing through now?

Source 1: January Ensign 2006