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POLICE: CHO FIRED 170 ROUNDS IN 9 MINUTES

The massacre inside a chained-shut Norris Hall went on for nine minutes as Seung-Hui Cho fired off 170 rounds, killing 30 people before shooting himself in the head, police revealed Wednesday.
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GOVERNOR CLOSES LOOPHOLE THAT LET VIRGINIA TECH SHOOTER BUY GUNS

Virginia's governor on Monday closed the loophole in state law that allowed the Virginia Tech gunman to pass a federal background check and buy the weapons used in the April 16 shooting rampage. Gov. Timothy M. Kaine issued an executive order in Richmond, Va.
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Some people has disagreed with my assessment of the situation that the guys should have fought back. thats understandable. there are many things to consider in all situations, as in every day life. but if you are attacked you need to defend yourself as well as look for any escape areas. and if the ways are clogged then as in any Karate class they encourage defense and stopping the aggressor.

Rather off topic, but... On that 9 11 day on the airplane there was probably allot of people who just wanted to escape or let someone else do the work. but in all everybody was doomed, and they didn't want anybody else to be taken out. it like the soldier who jumps on a hand grenade to save his buddies lives at the expense of his own.

Message Edited... JB: Wayned I appreciate that you have difficulty with input, but please at least use the Spell checker before posting. Thanks.

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Wayned:

If I am not mistaken, it was 170 rounds in 9 minutes. From the reports, I would suspect that a vast majority of those rounds were spent in the first 5 minutes (and a high percentage of rounds in the first 2 minutes), as he was later fighting with people that were taking action and was moving between floors. Note how many rooms he tried to force his way into, but was rejected. They were barracading doors with desk, blocking them with their bodies and yes they were trying to escape.

In the analogy that you are presenting with 9/11, it is very different. There is no escape in a plane. It is either run up or down the aisle, as there are no parachutes. Additionally, they had lots of contact with the outside world that told them that they were doomed. It is much easier to make the right decision when you have the alternatives presented to you and allowed to decide. The people on that plane had more than 9 minutes to decide how their fate was going to end up and they made the right choice. Had the students and facaulty of VT been warned that someone was coming and that he was going to kill a bunch of you, then things might have gone down differently there.

From the bits of data that are still coming out, it appears that the majority of kills were in the first 2 classrooms he entered. After that the element of surprise was over. This is very much like 9/11. After the first 3 planes hit their targets, the fourth one wasn't a surprise and there were some defensive actions taken. However, even though they displayed great bravery in the situation, they had few choices in the matter and the terrorist did succeed in killing all of them. They just didn't hit their target in doing it. I am sure that if the people in the plane on 9/11 thought that lying down and playing dead would actually work and save their lives, they would have done it, but we all know that wasn't the case. I know I would have done the same thing as those people in the plane on 9/11, but I also know that I probably would have done the same thing as those people in the first 2 classrooms as well and if I were in the 3rd classroom, I would have been barracading the door.

If you are seated in a classroom and he walks in and starts shooting indescriminantly, he is far enough away from you that no karate or martial art is going to help you. These classrooms are fairly large. A .22 has very little kick and is often used for target practice, as well as a 9mm. Note how one classroom he went into and immediately shoot the teacher. Why? They were closest to the door. After that, it was nothing more than a shooting gallery and with those weapons being accurate was easy. Plus, note how many witnesses talk about how calm the guy was...how focused he was... Again, shooting with those weapons and nerves didnt seem to be a problem, no one in either of those rooms stood a chance. Unless they played dead.

I equate it to fighting a bear. If you have a big gun, then take the fight to the bear or at least defend yourself. If not and your are far enough a way, run and take a defensible position. If you are too close, play dead!

Edited: Vincenzo on 3rd May, 2007 - 11:38am

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VIRGINIA TECH PREPARES TO HONOR 32 VICTIMS AT GRADUATION

Virginia Tech officials planning this weekend's commencement have taken pains to remember the victims of last month's massacre without taking the focus from the graduates' accomplishment.
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VIRGINIA TECH REPORT: SHARE MENTAL HEALTH DATA

Cowed by confusing privacy laws, authorities sometimes fail to raise red flags about potentially dangerous students, and peers keep quiet out of a false sense of duty, a federal report on the Virginia Tech shootings concluded Wednesday.
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VIRGINIA TECH REOPENS BUILDING WHERE MASSACRE OCCURRED

Virginia Tech on Monday reopened Norris Hall, the building where a student opened fire and killed most of his 32 victims in April, but access was still restricted due to refurbishing work.
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VIRGINIA TECH RESPONSE TOO SLOW AFTER FIRST SHOOTINGS, REPORT CONCLUDES

More lives may have been saved in the Virginia Tech shootings had faculty and students been told earlier about the first two shootings, an investigation into April's mass killing concludes.
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