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Karbala, first of all do not tell me as a Journalist what should or should not do. As far as I know you are not a Journalist hence have little or no knowledge on my news analysis. Having said that, common sense dictates that any individual can be portrait as an angel for some and as evil for others (Bush, President of Iran, Blair, even Osama Bin Laden, etc).

Just because YOU and other people see this guy as a terrorist to the level of Bin Laden (yes, you compared him to him) does not mean I believe he is one. End of the story. So please back off on that little thing you always do that is to tell everyone what to do. It is annoying.

You get way too emotional in the discussions (as expressed in this last message of yours), and that's definitly not a good thing when you debate issues of this nature. Having said that, your assumptions that I hate the Iranian government are so silly. I do not hate it at all! Just because I do not agree with some of its policies, does not mean I "hate" it. *shaking head*

Your accusations that I hate the Iranian people is a HUGE insult to me and I am surprised you would say something of that nature as I am defending terrorists! That's the worst insult I ever got. It is hurtful.

Rather off topic, but... I will leave this thread for a while before things get really out of hand. I am extremely disappointed of such low and hurtful accusations you brought up against me.

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LDS_forever I try not to get emotional but what do you expect when you go around defending terrorist organisations. I apologise if I offended you but do you realise how offensive it is to read someone defending a TERRORIST ORGANISATION which carried out bombings to which my own father was a witness to? Have I ever defended AL-Qaeda or Bin Laden? So you are annoyed when I tell you not to defend an OFFICIAL TERRORIST ORGANISATION?

So you go ahead and ignore the official terrorist lists of the US, UK, EU, and reports from Australia and Canada? LDS_forever I don't think you realise what you have done, you just made a stand for an OFFICIAL TERRORIST ORGANISATION. It isnt just me who calls them terrorists its 99% of the Iranian people and most official state terrorist lists.

Rather off topic, but... Don't comment on this topic if you wish. I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out what possessed you to defend this organisation?

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Karbala:

I never met anyone who can twist words in the sick way you do, you are a master at that (nothing to feel proud about by the way)"Going around defending terrorist organizations"? You are either mad or drunk.

First of all, I never defended ANY terrorist organization. YOU brought up the names of those organizations, I simply provided what I found on Wiki and asked a couple of questions.

All I did was correct your ignorant comparison between Jafarzadeh and Bin Laden. I was and I am focusing on the guy, I am not denying he is a controversial figure (so is Bush and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) but of course your sick mind always have to twist things around to your agenda. What I said about Jafarzadeh and his discovery (nuclear facilities in Iran) is a fact., whether you want to admit it or not.

Right below his article on Fox News, reads the following:

Interesting that Fox News and the US will have such a low-life terrorist working for them, no? How come he is not in the Most Wanted List as Osama Bin Laden? Could you explain that for me?

You know what is the most ironic thing about all this? How you dare even to say "boo" about my statements on why I believe he is not a Bin Laden when most of the world condemns the actions of the President of Iran and YOU defend them all the time. Same guy who thinks Israel should be wiped off the map and hold conventions and invites Anti-Semites, who does not even believe the Holocaust ever took place... who continue ignoring the UN. You should be the LEAST of all the people to point out fingers when yourself defend such a man.

You did not offended me, you are making me sick right now which is quite different. You still insisting I defended a terrorist organization, SHOW ME A STATEMENT WHERE I DEFENDED SUCH ORGANIZATION!

This is the ONLY statement I made about an organization:

Where did I defend it? Or once again, the *Iamalwaysright* Karbala assumed I was defending this organization based on thesequestions I asked? Your interpretations on things can be quite pathetic not to mention you read intentions for everything. What a bad habit of yours.

I am annoyed at your sick mind that would interpret (wrongfully) that I defended any terrorist organization. I did not only defended any terrorist organization but did not defend ANY ORGANIZATION PERIOD! Prove me wrong or again, stay quiet!

You are like an old record playing. I will say it for the LAST TIME. READ MY LIPS: I never defended ANY organization whatsoever. I want to believe that you are at least literate and you know how to read, therefore I will strongly suggest you that instead of making such stupid remarks (as you have done so far) read properly before assuming or again, stay quiet!

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Karbala:

It must have been my mispelling of the word skepticism that didn't properly display my refrain from placing all my Iranian beliefs onto the teachings of this correspondent. Being a well informed adult, I mold my opinions myself from a multitude of sources, you are included but not to the exclusion of others.

As for "where there is smoke there is fire" comment, I mean that if you strip away some of the subjective verbage, there are some interesting facts in the article. In your earnest to condemn the author, you might have missed some of them. The article or blog entry, if you will, points out that there has been a minimum of 124 recorded executions in 2007 as recorded by Ammensty International. Is this false or a propaganda smear? Is this more or less government sanctioned killing than in the past few years? This would be the fire part. Now, to link this directly to Ahmadinejad is probably a stretch and would be the smoke part. Now considering that the world thinks the US executes tonnes of criminals each year, we should probably compare numbers. So far, the US has executed 32 people for crimes this year and none of them for treason. That means Iran has executed about 4 times more than the US. Also, this number is going up from the last couple of years where there were slightly under 100 executions. So, are more Iranians deciding to become criminals or has something changed. It is a interesting question and the correspondent gives his thoughts as to why, but all I take from it is that something is happening and there has been a change. What you cannot deny is more people are being killed...regardless of the correspondents current or previous affliations.

Now, I am sure there will be another cry of missinterpretation, but these quotes sure do make it seem that government is on-board with the current pace of population control.

Again, was Mr. Yessaqi misquoted? I am sure the correspondent understands the language, he lived there. So, there are secret prisions for political prisoners, juveniles have been executed, arbitrary arrest have been prescribed and there are going to be 41 new prisions in Iran. Why is there a need for 41 new prisons? Are people turning to crime at unprecidented levels? If so, why? Have the laws changed that made more people criminals now? Has there been enforcement of old laws that have resulted in more arrest? I don't know, but I do know more people in Iran are being planned to enter prisons. Also, why indescriminantly arrest your population? What is the purpose there? Install fear of the government? I don't know, but apparently there is a need to harrass the populus as seen fit by the government.

Now did the UN sanctions really cause the prices to go up? Probably not, since the sanctions were aimed at stopping the sale of or helping the development of a nuclear weapons. No where in the sanction did it say to stop trading food and goods with Iran. However, in the last sanction, international banks were not allowed to give any additional loans to Iran. The lack of international loans hardly explains the 30% inflation and unemployment. That is just bad fiscal government. Probably should rethink the whole idea of filling those new jails and get those people out there working and paying taxes! But the one thing I can take away from the paragraph is that there is high inflation and unemployment and gas rationing and people just are not happy. Similarly, when Jimmy Carter was president and we had a gas shortage in the US along with inflation, unemployment and high interest rates, people were not happy. They actually voted him out of office in a landslide Regan victory.

Now this implies a government conspiracy against the students. Is it true? I don't know, but I do take from the paragraph that some university students are still not happy with their existing amounts of freedom and are harrassed and arrested. Is that a incorrect statement? Nope.

Were teachers arrested? I would believe that this would be a easy lie to spot, so I am willing to believe it is true. Could Ahmadinejad be a bit behind his campaign promisses and people are a bit upset at that? Definitely. Are teachers and bus drivers demonstrating? Again, that would be a easy lie to find, so I tend to believe it. So what do I take from this. There are some unhappy people with the current economic condition of Iran and some may even blame Ahmadinejad. Also, there seems to be repeated reports of complainers getting arrested and there are those new prisons. Are these untruths? Is everyone in Iran insanely happy?

So was the corrrespondent 100% correct in all his stilted prose? No, a great deal of it is stated as a exaggeration of the whole, but there obviously are people that are unhappy. They obviously, as of now, are not the majority or things would be significantly different in Iran. Are they someone that the government might be concerned about? Apparently, they are getting arrested and 40 plus prisons are quite a expectation of things to come.

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LDS_forever I do not want to just go back and forth with you. Read your own posts and try to view the matter from the POV of someone who lost an innocent brother/sister/mother/father/daughter/son at the hands of these murderers. Would it not be offensive? Please LDS_forever you may not like the way I argue or you may not like the way I interpret your statements. But as a good gesture just show me that you consider the MEK to be a terrorist organisation. Alireza Jafarzadeh is a spokesperson for this organisation. MEK + Spokesperson = Terrorist.

Can you imagine the uproar I could cause if I did the same for AL-Qaeda?

In the UK if I said the above statement I would be arrested. I would deeply offend the family of people who had lost loved ones in 9/11 and 7/7 attacks. Personally I would feel very guilty about such remarks. You said the same thing about NCRI because of whom many Iranians lost innocent loved ones.

You straight up defending a person who is the spokesperson for an internationally recognised terrorist organisation.

That is interesting isnt it? It might also interest you that the US at one point in time also supported Saddam and the Taliban. Recently the USA also was found to be financially linked to a terrorist organisation linked to Pakistan called Jundullah which operates in Iran. Alireza Jafazadeh is a spokesperson for an internationally recognised terrorist organisation but he is useful to the USA. FOX News? Yes they are very good people (sarcasm).

What difference does this make? Yes it is a fact so what? He is still the spokesperson for an internationally recognised terrorist organisation.

Ahmadinejad has not blown anyone up. He has not carried out assassinations. He has not killed civilians. He did not side with an insane murderer against his own people. So tell me what is the similarity between him and terrorists?

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The only thing I have left to say to you and then I will move on to other aspects of this whole issue (because we are going in circles like mad people do) is this:

Did you lost your own mother like I did at the tender age of 1? Well, I did! In the hands of the same people you tell me I defend: Terrorists! Masked men coming in the middle of the night, kidnapping people, taking them to torture centers and torture them to death just because they opposed the government. So please do not even DARE to tell me who could be offended and who could not by my statements!

What I said, in no way reflect your sick interpretation. I doubt very much you went through what I did, and I doubt very much we will agree on this so before continue replying to me with the same old record, do me a favor and just either move on or stay quiet! More you write, more foolish your statements sound. You don't know me, neither my family history, neither what I went through as a child because of terrorists!

The impact of having lost my own mother in the hands of terrorists affect me until this day so please, please just remain silent on this issue!

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Vincenzo:

I found the account of an Ex-prisoner, a Frenchman who was locked up for 15 months in Iran because he strayed into territorial waters. The article is three pages long but is worth the reading because he recalls his personal account in Evin prison. It seems the prison is huge because "has its own school, hospital, concession shops and its own taxi service to shuttle prisoners, family members, employees and lawyers across the vast distances between the buildings."

https://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wo...headlines-world

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That is the part that really got me when I first read the blog. 41 new prisons...not jails. A prison is a fairly good sized complex that holds more than just a few people. I am trying to find data on how many prisons we have in the US and the amount that are added each year, but I am certain that this number is much lower than 41. I can only remember 1 time when we voted on funding for a new prison in the state I lived at the time. You don't build prisons unless you plan on filling them... Otherwise, it is just wasted money and with the economy what it is in Iran, I cannot believe that waste would be tolerated well.