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Reading The Quran - Page 11

All religions that I have researched have one thing in common. They teach, they beg, they plead, with unbelievers to join them in following their god and doing the "right" thing. And for doing the right thing their god promises heaven. But for going their own way, or staying with their present religion, they are promised a variety of hells. The name of the game in religion is FAITH. Your god is not standing before you, so you have to read, listen, add a lot of FAITH, and say to yourself, "Alright I'm going to believe." Once you have done this and your FAITH is poured in cement, do you want anyone telling you you were wrong? Not on your life! Not even a Muslim. Your religion is yours just like his is to him.

Except for one Sura, or book, the Quran goes far beyond all other religions with the praise of its God. Every book without fail except one heaps praise after praise on Allah to the point of being distracting. I don't care who you are, reading the same thing over and over gets old and hard to wade through after the 10th or 15th book. ( There are 114 books. ) The pattern in the Quran is to heap on the praise, tell you prophets were sent to tell you, but you wouldn't listen, threaten every imaginable hell if you don't go along, then describe the garden with rivers flowing beneath with beautiful women and all the fruit your heart could desire. (Heaven) I've only read one 2000 page book in my life that I was happier to finish. It was the history of World War II.

I did find what I was looking for in the book written by the Prophet Muhammad. The following is from the Quran-The 47th book of Muhammad. All quotes and words in italics are taken directly from the Quran.

All other writings in the Quran seem to be from the far distant past. They suggest how you should live, threaten hell, then tell you if after going the other way you should come to Allah he is most kind and forgiving. Muhammad writes in the present. He doesn't suggest, he tells his reader to, "smite at their necks, subdue, bond firmly, and ask for ransom." But he goes on to tell his reader, "Thus (are ye commanded) THEN comes the promise, 'those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost." He will, " improve their condition" and finally the promise of "The Garden."

It does not get plainer than that! Terrorist have not been turned loose on the world by Allah, but by a revelation to Muhammad. But since Muhammad's words are written in the Quran, and Muslims follow the teachings of the Quran, what else are we to believe? That one fact places all Muslims under suspicion no matter how they protest. I do not doubt for one moment that there are millions of peaceful Muslims, but which ones are they?

I am sure you have probably noticed that to this point I have not compared religions, but I will now on one subject, death and killing. The Quran does not mention one battle that I could find. There are no numbers of the dead as there are in the Old Testament of the Christian Bible. Because I researched for years I can tell you that the God of the Old Testament was responsible ( directly, or indirectly ) for the deaths of over 6½ million human beings. The Quran does not mention even one death, so in comparison, the Quran is a book of peace.

I hope that I have been just and truthful in my reporting on the Quran. I welcome all comments.

Mousetrails

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After I spent weeks researching the Quran and found the answer I was sure I would find, I expected some communication from the rest of the world, but it hasn't happened. Does no one care that Islam is thought to be extreme because of one book in the Quran? Am I the only one that has ever figured this out? Surely not. I would like to read the thoughts of others here.

Mousetrails

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Actually, we care very much, have you looked at the Threads posted within this Board? The echo our undying concern at the extremists that use the Quran for their own means.

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I was just surprised that there are no comments on this thread. Is there another page by page study of the Quran on another board?

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Have you ever wondered when you hear "muslim extremest" if they really are being extremist? Is the Quran, as many will tell you, a book of peace and love, or does it teach the murder and senseless killing of human beings? Read my review of the Quran and know beyond doubt what the truth is.

Mousetrails

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Quite a comprehensive and yet flawed review of the Quran. The constant claim of repitition of mousetrails part is an unfortunate consequence of ignorance of the style of Arabic usage in the Quran. What he perceives to be repetitions are not repetitions at all.

Mousetrails set out with one mission and that was to find violence in the Quran. THis he claims he found in the 47th Chapter Surat Muhammad.

Rather off topic, but... The Quran is NOT divided into books with separate authors.

Mousetrails seems to have issue with the following verse:

Rather off topic, but... I have used a more reliable translation of Shakir

I don't see what the problem is? This verse refers to a situation of battle. You expect muslims to smile, get on their knees, surrender and beg for mercy? Of course not God is only telling the muslims what common sense dictates. Fight your enemy in the battlefield (fighting is only allowed for self defence by the way), overcome them and free or ransom any captives. This is what almost every conventional army in the world does. Where is the instigation to violence and hatred in this verse?

Reading Quran - Page 11

Well, Karbala, my old friend. I have been waiting a long time for you to surface. First, You are the one that suggested Yusef.
Quote Karbala June 5, 2007

There is no repetition in the Quran? Let's search the word Exalted.

By my count the word "exalted" is used 97 times in the Quran. But let's go on to more pleasant repetition. Your reward. Let's search the word "gardens."

I am only to the 57th Sura and I could sit here and show you repetition after repetition on this one subject alone, but it is late and you get the idea. If you don't want these verses perceived as repetitions in English, then don't translate them to English. I'm working with what you said was the best translation.

You are absolutely correct. I did set out to find violence ordered in the Quran. You told me there was none. For 46 books I thought you might be right and I was wasting my time.

If the Quran is not divided into separate books with separate authors, does that mean that Muhammad wrote all 114 chapters? Then why are they named Fatir, Ghafir, and Saff? The writing is done in different styles, so I believe I am correct in assuming there was more than one writer.

You darn well bet I have a problem with that verse because of the following line.
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It is not the Muslim's business to decide whether I am a believer, or a disbeliever! So I don't at all appreciate Muhammad telling his followers what to do with me because I don't believe. That paragraph is clearly marching orders for every extremest in the world today.

Karbala

That's right Karbala, suicide bombs and rockets fired into residential districts are great self defense

Karbala

OK Karbala, name me three conventional armies that use suicide bombs and unguided rockets.

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Yusuf Ali is a good translation, but recently I have found Shakir a bit more reliable. Nevertheless both have their strengths and weaknesses. Lately a brand new translation has come out by Ali Quli Qarai. Unfortunately it isn't available over the internet.

"Exalted" is a good example. The Phrase you refer to is the Arabic الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ
"The Mighty, The Wise". These sort of words are called Asma'Allah or the Names of God proper and number about 99 in the Quran although general attributes number in the thousands.

In all those verses which mention الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ are any two verses dealing with the same subject? If not then is there really any repitition going on?

The style of the Quran is to use a verse to qualify one of the Asma'Allah. Hence every qualification of الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ in every different verse is different. In other words every verse is explaining the attribute of God. So if you found the word "exalted 97 times" then there are 97 different explanations of this attribute of God.

الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ generally conveys a sense of God being able to prevail upon those who deny his orders and judge them with wisdom. This attribute of God is normally mentioned when there is a mention of going against God in a verse.
Lets take a couple of verses as examples

Quran 2:209

Quran 2:220

In the first verse الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ is showing Gods ability to prevail over those who slip after recieving clear arguments and judge amongst them with wisdom.
In the second verse الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ shows Gods ability to judge between the mischief maker and the peace-doer in the case of dealing with orphans and his power to burden or unburden people as he wishes.