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Post Date: 18th Jul, 2007 - 1:09am / Post ID: #

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It seems to me that you are trying to make a case of Cain being Bigfoot, from a work that is fiction.


How do you figure the Apostle's reaccounting of his own experience fiction?

The book 'Clan of Cain' is fiction but it is built upon a true story.

Rather off topic, but...
Zelph- I bought and read one of the book you quote from continually (is it you or nighthaw?), The Last Days Unsealed by Robert Smith. Very interesting writing but I found the authors personal agenda bleeding through his work continually. When he says the modern day prophet have misinterpreted scripture I tend to wince. Regardless- great insight into daniel, Isaiah, and Revelations.

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Post Date: 19th Jul, 2007 - 12:35am / Post ID: #

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Bigfoot Cain Is

I agree that David Patten experianced what he did. But to build a case that Cain may be Bigfoot comes from a work of fiction.

Cain wasn't made immortal, he could still be killed and more then likely was.

Post Date: 3rd Oct, 2007 - 1:13am / Post ID: #

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I am truly convinced that Cain was killed by Lamech.
Now part of my belief includes the Account of the Book of Jasher and the Bible itself.

From the Book of Genesis Ch. 4

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22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubal-cain, an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah.
  23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
  24 If Cain shall be venged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.


Now The book of Jasher sheds light on this Story. It adds between verses 22 and 23 the account of Tubal Cain(a young man with hunting skills) and Lamech (really Old in years & Blind) hunting in the wilderness. Lamech was not trying to kill Cain, but accidently used his bow and killed Cain, and then in turn made some secret combination and killed Tubal Cain (I don't understand why would he killed Tubal Cain for the sake of the Secret Combination)

Therefore it reads in verse 23

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"for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt"
Telling us that Cain was killed and that Lamech boasted of having killed Cain in verse 24 "If Cain shall be venged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold"


Now I believe the account of the book of jasher to be truthful, rather than believing the Cain-Big Foot theory.

bobnbrittw good points with the "killing of Cain".


Rather off topic, but...
I love the Book of Jasher, it is an amazing book specially for those who love the Old Testament


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3rd Oct, 2007 - 3:22am / Post ID: #

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Wow how could Cain be bigfoot the idea just sounds like science fiction to me. There are actual scriptures about this?



8th Oct, 2007 - 2:20am / Post ID: #

Bigfoot Cain Is

This story comes from the journal of Abraham Smoot. He was an early pro-slavery member who was a slave holder himself. This story in his journal is linked to his ideas of black slaves and the supposed curse of Cain. His journal was written some 20-30 years later after the events have happened, and most of his stories are second and third hand tellings which he was not witnesses too. As a trained historian, I would never use his journal or accounts as evidence to events due to the fact his is usually a third hand source. In fact his journal is always taken as a suspicious source for history. Abraham Smoot's journal is never taken very seriously by LDS historians. He is also the same guy who recorded the third hand story of Joseph and the angle and polygamy. He is the one who accounts the story that joseph did not want to practice polygamy, but an angel came with a flaming sword and threaten to kill him if he did not practice polygamy. Like many of Smoot's tales they are seen as fictional and hearsay by many LDS historians, but his tales stick in our culture probably because of the mysterious and mythical stories that they are. I do not know why Pres. Kimball related that story in his book, but it was bad academic history on his part.



8th Oct, 2007 - 12:43pm / Post ID: #

Is Cain Bigfoot?

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I do not know why Pres. Kimball related that story in his book, but it was bad academic history on his part.

This story, about Cain, is also in the book 'A Marvelous Work and A Wonder' by LeGrand Richards, a book that is set as standard reading for missionaries and many others.



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8th Oct, 2007 - 11:39pm / Post ID: #

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I do not recall that in Marvelous Work and a Wonder, but then again it has been years since is read it. I just remember it in Miracle of Forgiveness. by Pres. Kimball

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9th Oct, 2007 - 8:52am / Post ID: #

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QUOTE (Hyperwrx @ 28-Jun 07, 10:36 AM)
Is Cain Bigfoot?

This topic beings about some additional questions:

1.  My question is HOW does Cain go about this task?

2.  What did God do to these 5 individual's bodies so that they do not age?

3.  If Cain is not the foundation of the bigfoot myth, what is?

Food for thought.


One point I thought about was, IF Cain was killed in the flood--then NO MAN would of slayed him, it would of been God through a world flood. That could have fulfilled the scripture in Genesis 4:13-15, in my opinion.
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13 And Cain said unto the LORD, aMy punishment is greater than I can bear.
  14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall aslay me.
  15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a amark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.


As for the questions that Hyperwrx brought up-
#1--We are told in the next life that Cain will rule over Satan, I am wondering if he will have to wait for Judgement day for that to be done and if he is in Spirit Prison assuming he died or was killed (as bobnbrittw also mentioned.)
I am not sure how that would affect his spirit and its abilities. BUT if he did not die, I can see very easily how he would remain a tool for Satans plan--especially if those souls will actually be his one day.
He does not work alone though, and he has people that have pledged their loyalty to Satan and therefore, Cain that on a daily basis do physically what cannot be accomplished by the spirits that followed Satan in the pre-existence.

#2-- I was taught that those bodies, 3 Nephites, and John were translated.
Rather off topic, but...
Also, wouldn't Enoch and his city fit in here as well?

I have never heard of an unrighteous person being translated but would love to know if someone else has a source for that.
In the scriptures we have available I cannot see where it states that he will live until the 2nd coming. As was pointed out by Isaiah53-it sounds as if the journal account could have been wrong or changed and not considered reliable.
I think if he vanished it would more than likely been a spirit as well. It makes a great story line for the book you mentioned but sometimes it is hard to separate fact and fiction when it comes down to details like that.
Rather off topic, but...
I think I will get the book and read it.


#3--That is an interesting thought. When I have thought Cain may of been Bigfoot, I never questioned WHY they had never found a body. It made sense to me that if he was to wander the earth then they wouldn't find a dead one. Also, it made sense to me why there was only one. I have never really gone into studying about Cain/Bigfoot except what we are talking about, so I don't know anything about sightings, if people have claimed to see more than one or little ones. And I have asked myself about what else could it be but never came up with anything.



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