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Isaiah53

That's a pretty bold statement. I'm fairly certain that a prophet does just a little bit of research before just throwing a good story into one of his books.

1 Just because the verses about Cain's marriage come after his curse does not mean that he wasn't married before the curse happened. We only find out about his wife and kids after. It is quite possible that he was married and had children before he was cursed.

2. I believe the first civilization mentioned was Adam and Eve (and all the children they had) - in fact they were the ones who certainly taught Cain how to be "civil".

3. Where is the biblical reference that says god marked Cain with a tattoo?

4. That would mean that things that are not given to us in scripture are not historically important. Obviously in this case, more was not important enough to be included in the bible, but there was nonetheless a curse that continued to follow Cain. The details of which we are now allowed to speculate about (since they are not spelled out).

LDS_forever

I don't think anyone is claiming that the fact that the story is in The Miracle of Forgiveness and A Marvelous Work and a Wonder that it has become doctrine. However, I am more inclined to follow the word of a prophet than the interpretations of someone just posting online anonymously.

OneTrueSteve

He He. Very true. It is good to ponder eternal theories. I'm not so certain that whether Cain is bigfoot is what was intended with D&C 88:78 .

Umm, right after we find out Cain is cursed, we learn that he DID have kids.

Lephisto

I would think that if Cain can survive a flood, he can travel the world and be spotted in 2 (dare I say it?) yes, even 3 continents on this earth.

Lephisto

The "normal" size of a man is subjective. What about Goliath? In fact we know that in the days of Adam the days of man were lengthened to several hundred years old. What we consider normal today (whether it is age or height) may not have been the norm when Cain was born.


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Very fun thread by the way.

Is it possible that Cain is big foot? Of course it's possible!

Is it probable? NO

But then again, are most of Gods works probable? Not really.

Cains curse was more than he could bear. That could be any number of things. It could be that he was ostracized from his community when they found out that he killed Able, and he feared for his life. God, knowing that his guilt and any other punishment was more severe than a sudden death, marked him and commanded that none kill Cain. My guess is that Cain soon realized that a quick death would have been much more favorable than what he suffered. Whether he is still alive today (not just his spirit), who know. But it sounds good.

If Cain is actually big foot, then we should be thankful, since he is the star of such great "messing with sasquatch" commercials.

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grounded wrote;

I like it. If I had Spencer W. Kimball or even Dallin H. Oakes, for instance, in my living room telling me that story, I would take it to mean something.

Then he said, responding again to Isiah53:

Who says that the curse turned him instantaneously into bigfoot? One tends to get hairier and uglier as one ages.

...and in response to me:

Fair enough. I just assumed that big and hairy Cain would have to find a big and hairy woman to have his big and hairy kids.

In response to Lephisto, grounded said:

I found something interesting just today that could shed some light on this ability to move around, (assuming its not his kids globe-hopping.).

The Kaballah is an ancient jewish teaching of how to understand scripture. One of the principle books of the Kaballah is the Zohar. In it, the sages tell of:

Thus, the jews postulated, even believed in, a form of evil translation, and that it happened to more than just Cain. Possibly, Naamah could have become Cain's big hairy woman.

...and responding again to Lephisto:

Don't forget that the Jaredites were huge compared to us. When Joseph tried to use the Jaredite Urim and Thummim, the eyepieces he was supposed to look through to translate were too far apart for his eyes to look through, thus evidencing a much larger head. Joseph had to go from one eyepiece to the other. In fact, ancient Peruvian legends also testify of very ancient inhabitants of the land (Americas) who were giants. These would be the Jaredites.

It seems to me that if the Jaredites were bigger, than there is no reason to expect Cain to be puny.

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I said the mark was a branding or something in lines as a tattoo. Where does it say that? In genesis. It is what the Hebrew means. Cain was marked with a curse. The Hebrew word for that mark means a mark like or similar to a brand or tattoo. But to get that you have to be able to read Hebrew.

Yes it is a bold statement. But it is what it is. It is not an not a reliable quote. It is a third source at best statement from a man who is known to fib in his journals. This is known by most LDS historians. I am not sure what Pres. Kimball's reasoning for the quote, but it is not a reliable source. No good historian would use it as a source without some disclaimer. Like it or not that is poor academic writing. It is what it is. I am not making any judgment on Pres. Kimball or his reasons for using the quote. I am just stating what it is. He is not the only LDS apostle or G.A to use poor writing. (heck look at Jesus the Christ). I just stated the fact to add to the discussion the unreliability of the quote.

That is fine. You can believe that and you may very well be right. However when you read text especially any Hebrew text you have to read what the text is trying to tell us. Why does Genesis never mention any civilization before Cain? Why does it go out of its way to talk extensively about Cain decedents and there civilization? Why is there no talk about civilization before this? You have to ask yourself what the scriptures are telling you about this relationship and the connection to the first murder. The reality is genesis is showing us just how "civil" civilization is. It is founded on violence and the idea of class and conflict. It shows where God's involvement is with the world of civilization. civilization is the worldly order. Why do we see all the great civilization in the bible as worldly ex Babylon, Egypt, Assyria, And Rome. They are built on the principals of Cain. (see the BOM). God's version is always called Zion. When one reads scripture one has to ask what is the text saying to me.
One has to remember that Genesis is not a historical document. It was never written nor met to be an accurate account of Adam. Writing biography's and history as we know it is a very recent thing. Modern history writing is only about 100 years old. To the Hebrew accuracy of historical detail was not important. What is important is what the story is saying about the author's condition in his day and his relationship with God. He is using this story to teach man's relationship with God. just like the story of George Washington in the cherry tree, not an accurate story, but it says something about America and us today.

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Why would he wonder into other continents? I thought he would be under the watch of God always so he doesn't get harmed by anyone. Is there any resources in the scriptures that say that Cains wife is the maker of demons? And why her? Why would Cains wife be evil? Could of Cain not repented of his sins and be not evil?

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Where do you get this from? The Lord merely put a "mark", he did not say anything about watching over him.

Do you think Perdition, the one who rules over Satan can repent?

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Lephisto said:

Well, he did say to Elder Patton,

"In the earth" is rather expansive. As to why he wanders, he says:

Men are everywhere with souls to be destroyed. In fact, wherever the work of the Lord was in progress, one might look for him.

Lephisto said:

No. That was pure conjecture. Actually the quote from the Kaballah says that it was the sister of Tubal Cain that became the mother of demons. Tubal Cain was later, after the first Cain. It was simply a statement concerning an ancient belief in a from of evil 'translation," a potential explanation for Cain's longevity, indestructibility, and ability to move about.

Rather off topic, but... Certainly not to be construed as a concrete belief of mine. Just something interesting to think about. God has not explained everything to us.

Zelph said:

Zelph also said:

I would add "yet" to the quote.
Well, the scriptures could equally be saying that it was very important that man not kill Cain, so before they did, he put a "mark" (read "protection") on Cain so that they could NOT kill him.
Otherwise, why should Cain receive extra protection from God? How did the mark ensure that no one would kill Cain, as it must have, for God purposes are not thwarted.

Elix, commenting on the Book of Jasher wrote:

While a number of General Authorities have expressed a fondness for the book, it certainly has never been canonized, and really should have less authority than the journal of a well-respected Latterday Saint. See below.
It seems very just that the first murderer should be made to suffer without death being an option. It also seems ludicrous that God would slap such a heavy protection on him, only to have him die through an accident with an arrow.
Isiah53 wrote:

It seems the best defense from believing something uncomfortable is to discredit Abraham O. Smoot. Can I just say that it is sad to criticize someone who is long dead, when they were never criticized in similar fashion in life? After reading the post smearing Brother Smoot, I did some research on the internet and found only complimentary information about him. He was president of BYU for goodness" sake! I couldn't find any evidence of the saints distrusting him during his life, so why now?

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Name: Rob

Comments: No. Cain is not Big Foot, Big Foot is Cain. Yet not just any of the many species of Big Foots found throughout the world. He is the legendary Big Foot of Boggy Creek from the state Arkansas, home of the original form of his species, as it is not too far from his first home in the east of Eden. And yes, He did have the ability to procreate, fostering many offspring... aunts, uncles, cousins,ect...It's a well known fact that the diversity of his family tree came about as a result of their family connection to Nimrod. Hauling building supplies on the night shift of a building project was the only work at the time that enabled them to work under the cover of darkness. Unfortunately for them, the Lord found them out and caused them and their associates who hired them to be driven to the four corners of the earth. Thus we have today, a plethora of his kin, found in most areas of the world, with some understandably having bigger feet than others depending on habitat and terrain. My personal favorite, though not Cain himself, would be his laid back Floridian cousin the Skunk Ape. While not quite as famous as the original, he dose possess the unique quality of making his presents known via a pungent gagging body oder you can smell a mile away. Though through no fault of his own, I believe this rather unfortunate lack of social graces is more due to the high heat and humidity of his habitat. I do believe that he is also not quite as ugly as Cain, which is to say he's got a little more going for himself in that department. This tends to explain the fact that despite his lack of hygiene, he is often seen with more than one companion. Yes there are many Big Foots, but only one Cain,for he can only be in one place at a time just like the rest of us. There is always a simple explanation for the unexplainable if you just know the Doctrine.

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Do you have any sources to back this "doctrine" up? Where did you find this information out for yourself? It is one thing to say something is believable if we know our doctrine but I am not aware of any true doctrine on the issue. I would love to read your sources though. If they can procreate are you saying that none of them die?