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Post Date: 27th Oct, 2008 - 3:15pm / Post ID: #

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"Do you have any sources to back this Doctrine up"? 
While I must admit that my source is only second hand, (I've never actually met Cain), his cousin has taken up residence in a tree fort I built for my daughter here in the Boca Del Vista area of sunny Florida. Even though his accent is a little thick, being here from the South, he has communicated his reason for breaking the Big Foot code of isolation. Seems as though over development in the Okee-pha-nokee Swamp region has forced him to relocate. The fist few weeks of him living in my back yard and rooting through my garbage every night was unbearable given the stink and all that...but I was able to dispel the popular myth of what caused his pungent odor. Being previously isolated from civilization, no one had ever explained to him that when you eat an orange, you don't eat the peel...the acid and all that... reeks havoc on the hormones. It all just goes to show, that even well intentioned facts and Doctrine, can sometimes be a little skewed...

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2nd Dec, 2008 - 10:18pm / Post ID: #

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I believe the bigfoot that we are being shown in the photograph is not what we think it is but I do give credit to the giants that once walked the earth.



3rd Dec, 2008 - 11:40pm / Post ID: #

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It seems the best defense from believing something uncomfortable is to discredit Abraham O. Smoot. Can I just say that it is sad to criticize someone who is long dead, when they were never criticized in similar fashion in life? After reading the post smearing Brother Smoot, I did some research on the internet and found only complimentary information about him.


I apologize if I got my people mixed up. I should have checked my source before posting. It is not Smoot that I am referring too but rather the original source is based on David Patten's story of encountering Cain, whom he described as very tall and covered in dark hair, in 1835, as described in a letter published in Lycurgus Wilson's biography of Patten. Spencer Kimball copied the letter in Miracle of Forgiveness. It is Patton's diary that is always seen as kind of suspect. There is also similar stories that are very similar like all urban myths. I am not sure why Spencer Kimball added it to his book, but it is just a bad source to quote from.
It is all folklore and myth that is a reflection of 19th century ideas of evil and race. There is no doctrine about Cain and I do not think you would get any of the 12 to say different. In the Hebrew the "mark" talked about in Genesis literally means a brand, or a tattoo. It is nothing to do with a physical change of of skin color or appearance. It is a racist notion left over from the 19th century. Ask any rabbi or Hebrew scholar and they will tell you that Cain's mark was not a skin color change or any Bigfoot transformation.



Post Date: 8th Dec, 2008 - 11:39pm / Post ID: #

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Isiah53 wrote:

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It is Patton's diary that is always seen as kind of suspect.


An apostle's diary is suspect?

Also this:
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There is also similar stories that are very similar like all urban myths.

There are also many urban legend stories like the Three Nephites.

Then, on Hebrew, he wrote:
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In the Hebrew the "mark" talked about in Genesis literally means a brand, or a tattoo. It is nothing to do with a physical change of of skin color or appearance. It is a racist notion....

Hmmmm. Which Hebrew dictionary are you using? It doesn't seem to be a biblical definition at all. In Gesenius" Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament, which I hold on my lap, the word used in Genesis which the KJV translates as mark, is found in Strong's reference number 226, on page 24. All of the definitions given here for the word are:
1- A sign, as the lights in the heavens
2- a military ensign, used to distinguish one tribe from another
3- a sign of something past, to keep something in remembrance, such as a memorial.
4- a sign of something future, a portent, such as the names given Isiaiah's kids.
5- the sign of something which can not be seen, token, proof, argument.

So, a general "gist" of the meaning of this word suggests that what God gave Cain was something to clearly distinguish him and his people from others (ensign), that it was a sign of something inobvious (whether it be a curse or whatever), and that both the past and future were wrapped up in the event.

And now, out of mere curiosity, for this too, is not a doctrine:

In the Hebrew Kabbalah, a technique of scripture interpretation used to uncover deeper meanings, there is a technique called Gematria. In Hebrew, the letters also serve as numbers. If you add up the numerical values of the letters of a word, and then seek for other words in the text of the Old Testament which add up to the same number, it is supposed to give you further insight into the nature of the first word. The value of the word mark, happens to be 401. Other words with that same value have the following meanings:

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Fascination, men, to curse, sign, portent, token, (this would be the word defined above), plowshare, self, at; by; with; toward; the particle of directed emphasis: THIS!, salvation of Yah, restraint or control.


A "gist" of these attributions, comes to the mark being a curse to point Cain out very pointedly, and is to foretell something pertaining to the plan of salvation. Getting the mark had something to do with personal restraint.

My Hebrew teacher taught us that many English words actually come from Hebrew. The word translated "mark," is pronounced very similar to our word, "oath." Did the mark of Cain have anything to do with an oath (and covenant)?

Post Date: 12th Dec, 2008 - 6:24am / Post ID: #

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So, did you all hear about the missionaries in Canada who found Bigfoot tracks outside of their apartment?

The Houston Today article is here:

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Post Date: 22nd Dec, 2008 - 3:02am / Post ID: #

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Excuse me if I express information already given in the topic board. There was a large amount of replies to the board and I did not take the time to read each one. That being said I think we must note a few things.

1. In Kimble's mention of the story, he said Patten encountered someone that claimed to be Cain. Kimble's comment expresses doubt that it was indeed Cain, though he does allow the story to be plausible.

2. If it wasn't really Cain, who was it. One possible answer is that it is Cain's spirit, which actually wouldn't be thousands of miles from his dead body (one should remember where Adam's family lived following there expulsion from the Garden).

3. Another possible answer was it really was just another hairy person that was possessed. If anyone recalls, an experience of Joseph Smith Jr. is recorded in "Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith" p.104. In this instance, a person claiming to be Matthias, or rather, the spirit of Matthias to be in him. This man, whose name was Joshua, believed this is how the resurrection worked. Joseph Smith rebuked him and said that the doctrine of Transmigration is of the Devil. I express that perhaps a similar individual may be our source of 'Cain' as encountered by Patten.

4. While this is an account of an apostle of the church, and one who is quite revered as a martyr, it does not mean he was infallible to doctrinal accounts. He is the only account of Cain still being alive and there is no place in the standard works that ever says that Cain continues to roam the Earth. Only John and the three Nephites are known to still be on Earth, aside from these 4 individuals, it is only speculation.

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22nd Dec, 2008 - 2:03pm / Post ID: #

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I thought Cain was to walk the earth for eternity and be hated of men? If he is to be hated then he must be seen. The big foot idea is plausible but at the same time seems like a comic book story.



Post Date: 22nd Dec, 2008 - 5:04pm / Post ID: #

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As far as the the account in Genesis goes, and all other references, we only were told that Cain is to spend his life wondering. I am not aware to any reference that says he'd walk around for all eternity. Cain was afraid someone would kill him, so God gave him a mark to warn anyone that kills him that they would be cursed. We do not know if how he dies (natural causes, murder, etc.), but there is no mention of immortality.

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