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Post Date: 23rd Dec, 2008 - 12:12am / Post ID: #

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Moses 5:29 And Satan said unto Cain: Swear unto me by thy throat, and if thou tell it thou shalt die


What does this mean? Does this imply that he might possibly not die if he keeps the great secret? reaching....

On the other hand, how can Satan kill Cain? How can Satan keep Cain alive?

Satan, as far as I know, does not have the ability affect a physical body like this. Does he? I don't think he can cause spiritual death either, especially not simply because somebody spilled the beans about the "secret." I don't get it.

Maybe it implies that if he shares the secret, he will get himself killed by one of Adam's sons.

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Post Date: 23rd Dec, 2008 - 3:05pm / Post ID: #

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From the Apocrypha -

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Gizeh 6:2  4. And they answered him all, saying, We will all swear with an oath, and bind each other by a mortal curse [lit., anathemize each other], that we will not go back on this agreement [gnome] until we have carried it out; 5. Then they all swore together and pronounced the doom of death on each other. 


I supposed this answers the question. It is interesting that Satan wanted to be the one who distributes the secret. I suppose he wanted to keep it pure. Didn't want others to water it down.

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26th Dec, 2008 - 2:42pm / Post ID: #

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This subject is already "iffy". Using the Apocrypha makes it even more so because the Apocrypha is "iffy" too with false and true parts, but there was no revelation on which is which.



Post Date: 27th Dec, 2008 - 6:32am / Post ID: #

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Apocryphal works cannot be completely disregarded. Joseph Smith stated that they were beneficial, but also suggested that those with the spiritual gift of discernment would be the ones to benefit most.

That said, it is also important to keep in mind that most scripture, canon or not, is open to interpretation, and is not meant as a history textbook. There are many written accounts of Cain and his destiny, many of which are quite ancient, and most contradict each other if taken literally.

One such account, contained within a work known as The Book of the Bee, was written in the 13th century, and seems to refer to an older unnamed source. This account states that Lamech was a skilled archer, but was also blind, and accidentally killed Cain while hunting.

The Book of Jasher (or Sepir Ha Yasher), which is in many ways similar to Genesis, and may be the source from which the above mentioned Book of the Bee was taken:

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And Lamech was old and advanced in years, and his eyes were dim that he could not see, and Tubal Cain, his son, was leading him and it was one day that Lamech went into the field and Tubal Cain his son was with him, and whilst they were walking in the field, Cain the son of Adam advanced towards them; for Lamech was very old and could not see much, and Tubal Cain his son was very young.

And Tubal Cain told his father to draw his bow, and with the arrows he smote Cain, who was yet far off, and he slew him, for he appeared to them to be an animal.

And the arrows entered Cain's body although he was distant from them, and he fell to the ground and died.

And the Lord requited Cain's evil according to his wickedness, which he had done to his brother Abel, according to the word of the Lord which he had spoken.

And it came to pass when Cain had died, that Lamech and Tubal went to see the animal which they had slain, and they saw, and behold Cain their grandfather was fallen dead upon the earth.


Most of the accounts which serve as evidence of Cain's earthly immortality seem to be no more than urban legends.

Post Date: 29th Dec, 2009 - 8:04am / Post ID: #

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There seems to be a bit of redundancy developing in this thread. I would recommend that former posts be at least scanned.

chancer74 quoted:

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Moses 5:29 And Satan said unto Cain: Swear unto me by thy throat, and if thou tell it thou shalt die.


There was a time when a temple recommend holder would understand this. Satan loves to copy God.




daburto said:
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And Lamech was old and advanced in years, and his eyes were dim that he could not see, and Tubal Cain, his son, was leading him and it was one day that Lamech went into the field and Tubal Cain his son was with him,...


You"re telling me that Lamech was old and blind and he went hunting?

I am glad to know more of the context of this story of Cain being killed. It seems highly unlikely.

Post Date: 30th Dec, 2009 - 4:08am / Post ID: #

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I am glad to know more of the context of this story of Cain being killed. It seems highly unlikely.


OneTrueSteve - you might agree with me in that many of the stories contained within the Old Testament canon as well as apocryphal and pseudepigraphal sources qualify for the sentiment that they are "highly unlikely". Still, I find most of it interesting reading, and I try to keep an open mind and acknowledge that, however unlikely an event might be, improbability is not the same as impossibility.

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30th Dec, 2009 - 1:42pm / Post ID: #

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There seems to be a bit of redundancy developing in this thread.

So what's the final concensus then, is Cain the yeti or Bigfoot?



Post Date: 30th Dec, 2009 - 10:24pm / Post ID: #

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daburto said:

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you might agree with me in that many of the stories contained within the Old Testament canon as well as apocryphal and pseudepigraphal sources qualify for the sentiment that they are "highly unlikely".

Well of course. Rivers separating into walls of water, burning bushes, etc. Are "highly unlikely." These things are miraculous. I'm talking about the UNmiraculous parts like when you go hunting.

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what's the final concensus then

I don't know that there is a consensus, other than that it isn't official doctrine. There are very interesting arguments either way, that he IS alive (and possibly hairy) and that he is dead. Though I argue that he is alive, its not really a deal breaker, if you know what I mean?

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