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Post Date: 3rd Jul, 2007 - 2:58am / Post ID: #

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When Cain was cursed by God to wander the Earth until his second coming- I think exactly that will transpire.


What about him wandering the earth until the second coming of the Lord, where did you get this information?

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Post Date: 3rd Jul, 2007 - 5:43am / Post ID: #

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This Clain of Cain book by Shane Lester I read gives reference to it but doesn't site where they get it.

3rd Jul, 2007 - 12:09pm / Post ID: #

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QUOTE (Hyperwrx @ 3-Jul 07, 1:43 AM)
This Clain of Cain book by Shane Lester I read gives reference to it but doesn't site where they get it.

I think you meant The Clan of Cain? I remember hearing about this book. Some years ago I read some excerpts of it online (not sure if still available). MOST of the book is fictional so I wonder...Can his statements be taken into consideration?



Post Date: 3rd Jul, 2007 - 1:01pm / Post ID: #

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This Clain of Cain book by Shane Lester I read gives reference to it but doesn't site where they get it.

I think you meant The Clan of Cain? I remember hearing about this book. Some years ago I read some excerpts of it online (not sure if still available). MOST of the book is fictional so I wonder...Can his statements be taken into consideration?


Read my initial post in this thread as I said that. I'll say it again.

The book is a ficticious book based on the a factual account from an Apostle. The Apostle had a true experience (The experiences is outlined again by Spencer W. Kimball in his Book the Miricle of forgiveness). The author of Clan of Cain uses that true experience to weave a ficticious story that takes place in 2005 regarding bigfoot being discovered and it really being Cain.

3rd Jul, 2007 - 1:21pm / Post ID: #

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Read my initial post in this thread as I said that.  I'll say it again.

The book is a ficticious book based on the a factual account from an Apostle.  The Apostle had a true experience (The experiences is outlined again by Spencer W. Kimball in his Book the Miricle of forgiveness).  The author of Clan of Cain uses that true experience to weave a ficticious story that takes place in 2005 regarding bigfoot being discovered and it really being Cain.


Sorry, I missed that part of your initial post. Nevertheless, my question still unanswered:

1. You said: "When Cain was cursed by God to wander the Earth until his second coming" When Zelph asked for a reference you mentioned this same book and my question still the same, can we take into consideration such a statement from a fictional book? If I am not mistaken, the only incident that Pres. Kimball mentions in the Miracle of Forgiveness is the one of Apostle Patten, not the other ones. Nevertheless, just because he makes mention of it in his book by quoting someone's else work, does not make the story anymore real. This is what he says in the Miracle of Forgiveness:

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On the sad character Cain, an interesting story comes to us from Lycurgus A. Wilson's book on the life of David W. Patten. From the book I quote an extract from a letter by Abraham O. Smoot giving his recollection of David Pattern's account of meeting "a very remarkable person who had represented himself as being Cain."


You are assuming that just because Pres. Kimball mentioned the story in his book, the account is real. Prophets and leaders quote from real and fictional stories all the time and even if Pres. Kimball believed the story to be true, it does not make it real.

I am NOT discrediting the possibility that Cain can be Bigfoot, is just that the only ONE account we have from a Church leader is Apostle Patten.



Post Date: 17th Jul, 2007 - 9:36am / Post ID: #

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The Three Nephites and John are all specifically told, promised, they will be around for the second coming, Cain is not.

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Gen 4:15 "Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him."


If Cain could not be killed God would not have added the warning that whoever killed him would have his vengeance. Cain may still be alive and wandering, or he may be a spirit that is still wandering. It would not be the first time an apostle has been approached by an emissary of the devil in spirit.

Another thought to ponder would be, if he has been killed would his spirit be allowed to wander here, or would he go to Spirit Prison to await Judgement Day?

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Post Date: 18th Jul, 2007 - 12:45am / Post ID: #

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It seems to me that you are trying to make a case of Cain being Bigfoot, from a work that is fiction.

If you remember the experiance of at the end were he rebuked Cain,

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About the time he expressed himself thus, I rebuked him in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by virtue of the Holy Priesthood, and commanded him to go hence, and he immediately departed out of my sight"¦.*
I personally think that when he (Cain) departed out of David Pattens sight, I don't think that it was walking, but vanished before him.

Cain isn't immortal, the decree as bobnbrittw points out is that Cain remained mortal, thus was septible to being killed. I would find more likely that Cain was killed either as pointed out in the Book of Jasher, or because of the Flood, then was granted immortaly like righteous men were.

Rather off topic, but...
I don't claim to say the Book of Jasher is Scriptures, but it maybe a work of God like the Apocryphas. The prophet Joseph Smith read the Book of Jasher and said that the author wasn't trying to fool anyone.

18th Jul, 2007 - 12:52am / Post ID: #

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QUOTE (Zelph @ 17-Jul 07, 8:45 PM)
I would find more likely that Cain was killed either as pointed out in the Book of Jasher, or because of the Flood, then was granted immortaly like righteous men were.


How can "Perdition" be granted immortality like John or the three Nephites who were righteous men? Where is your reference for such claim?



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