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tortdog:
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| I do wonder, though, what the qualifications for counselor in the First Presidency are. |
As far as I know, the person just needs to be a High Priest and the Prophet must call him BUT it seems "traditional" that they choose from the Quorum of the Twelve although not a requirement.
I was telling my husband the other day that Charles W. Nibley (second counselor to Heber J. Grant ) was never ordained as an Apostle and he served as a Counselor in the First Presidency.
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I think that the next few apostles will be individual who are comparatively young(45 to 55) , ones that will be able to bring the church into a time of growth and a renewed sense of urgency. I have a feeling the lord will use some younger individuals to lead the church into a different era, one where islamic and communist countries will open up to missionary work.
I could be wrong about the youth thing because president Hinkley is the oldest prophet in our dispensation and he travels around the world more then most people in their 20's.
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Post Date: 16th Aug, 2007 - 11:24pm / Post ID: #
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While it is true that they don't have to be part of the quorum of the 12 to be in the first presidency, I believe that if they are called, they do ordain them apostles. Ordained apostles aren't always or have been members of the twelve.
Alvin R. Dyer for example was a counselor AND an ordained apostle but never a member of the quorum of the twelve. Heres a time line from the website
https://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/w/o/wol3/dyerar1.htm
* Born 1903 Salt Lake City, Utah
* Baptized as a child
* Married May Elizabeth Jackson, 1926
* Ordained High Priest 1927
* Assistant to the Twelve 1958-1968
* Ordained an Apostle (but not a member of the Twelve) 1967
* Counselor to the First Presidency 1968-1970
* Resumed position as Assistant to the Twelve 1970-1976
* Sustained a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy 1976-1977
* Died 1977 Salt Lake City, Utah
That would be interesting if our new first presidency member was from the presidency of the 70 or somewhere.
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Nate:
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| While it is true that they don't have to be part of the quorum of the 12 to be in the first presidency, I believe that if they are called, they do ordain them apostle |
Would you mind providing backup info for this? Thanks.
Post Date: 17th Aug, 2007 - 12:17am / Post ID: #
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It appears they don't always ordain them apostles:
On the same site I quoted from before I looked up Charles W. Nibley and It mentioned his calling
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| https://personal.atl.bellsouth.net/w/o/wol3/niblecw1.htm "On December 4, 1907, at the age of fifty-eight, he became the fifth Presiding Bishop of the Church. He held that position for the next seventeen years. During his time The Church did away with tithing scrip, and he placed the church on a strict cash payment basis. He also was influential in getting the church to build Hotel Utah. Some seventeen years later, President Heber J. Grant called him to be his Second Counselor, which position he held until his death in 1931. Of interest is that he was not ordained an Apostle when called into the First Presidency, serving as a High Priest. And equally interesting, when he died and J. Reuben Clark was called to take his position, neither was Clark ordained an Apostle until over a year later.'" |
Interesting to note is that he wasn't even a Seventy either.
I wonder if their were others?
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Nate, that's what I thought. I heard the requirement was to be a High Priest but not necessarily an Apostle neither ordain an Apostle afterwards just as the example of Charles Nibley I mentioned in a previous post.
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| Interesting to note is that he wasn't even a Seventy either. I wonder if their were others? |
As far as I know, he is the only one but I won't be surprised if there were others. I will research about it a little more.
Post Date: 18th Aug, 2007 - 3:05pm / Post ID: #
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There have actually been quite a few Counselors who were not selected from among the Twelve. I will not list all of President Joseph Smith's considering he was in the early days but there have also been:
Jedediah M. Grant: 2nd Couns. to Brigham Young (called from 1st Council of 70)
Daniel H. Wells: 2C to Pres Young (Was not a General Authority prior to Call)
John W. Young: Asst Counselor then 2C to Pres. Young (Not a Gen. Auth prior to call, but ordained an Apostle 9 years prior at age 19)
John R. Winder: 1C to Pres Joseph F. Smith (2nd Counselor in Presiding Bishopric and 1st Asst in Salt Lake Temple Presidency)
Charles W. Nibley: 2C to Pres Grant (Presiding Bishop)
J. Reuben Clark: Served as Counselor to 3 Presidents (Was not a Gen Auth prior to his call, He was at the time Ambassador to Mexico. As mentioned began serving while a High Priest and ordained an Apostle later)
Thorpe B. Isaacson and Alvin R. Dyer: Served as Asst Counselors to Pres. McKay (Both were serving as Assistants to the Twelve and returned to that calling upon the death of Pres. McKay, as mentioned earlier Pres. Dyer had been ordained an Apostle prior while an Asst to the Twelve)
As shown it has been a while since a counselor was chosen from outside the Twelve but it has been done. Also, a clarification on the "rules" for who is eligible: "Any worthy Melchezidek Priesthood Holder" This was put out last time when there was speculation.
Scott
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Sarrott:
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| Also, a clarification on the "rules" for who is eligible: "Any worthy Melchezidek Priesthood Holder" This was put out last time when there was speculation. |
Could you please provide some sources for that statement? Thanks.
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