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Post Date: 11th Sep, 2007 - 12:51pm / Post ID: #

Can A Lamanite Be The President Of The Church?
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I'm with ya. The Book of Mormon makes clear that there are more "ites." That goes to my point that at the end of the Book of Mormon, Lamanites was a definition of one's failure to believe in the gospel, not one's heritage.

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11th Sep, 2007 - 1:04pm / Post ID: #

Church The President The Lamanite Can

Correct, and using what you said the question would be...

"Can someone who has failed to believe in the Gospel be the President of the Church?"

And the answer is obvious, BUT that is not the intent of the question is it? The question is using a racial divide:

"Can someone who is non White become President of the Church?"

Thus it is a racial issue / question.



Post Date: 11th Sep, 2007 - 1:14pm / Post ID: #

Can A Lamanite Be The President Of The Church?
A Friend

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Yes. I think you are right. So I guess my position would be:

* the person would likely have to be from the tribe of Ephraim
* race is irrelevant
* culture is irrelevant

Why? Because of the mode of adoption. It really doesn't matter. I'm from Benjamin, so I'm not too worried about it...

11th Sep, 2007 - 5:45pm / Post ID: #

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...the person would likely have to be from the tribe of Ephraim

As I said before, that is no way related to the Thread and is solely a matter of opinion anyway. Start a new Thread if you want to continue based on tribe.



Post Date: 11th Sep, 2007 - 5:50pm / Post ID: #

Can A Lamanite Be The President Of The Church?
A Friend

Church The President The Lamanite Can

I thought others opined that Lamanites came from one of two tribes, thus it seems right on point, I.e., if a person DID believe that Lamanites are based on ancestry as opposed to beliefs then that cuts right to the chase of Ephraim vs. Manasseh. Guess I'm not following you.

Reconcile Edited: tortdog on 11th Sep, 2007 - 5:51pm

11th Sep, 2007 - 6:19pm / Post ID: #

Can A Lamanite Be The President Of The Church?

My issue was with the term Lamanite in the context of race (which is what the question is based on) NOT which Tribe can become President of the Church - that is another issue, another question and another Thread, because it is a separate debate.



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11th Sep, 2007 - 9:57pm / Post ID: #

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The Lord could call anyone that he wanted to be prophet, as there is no proscription against a "non-white" becoming an apostle or prophet.

The churches membership is becoming more diverse and I do not doubt that the leadership will also become more diverse as time goes by.

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Regardless of intent I believe that labels in Church has got to stop.


I agree.
We are at a time in the church that the only label that we should put on our fellow man is "Child of God".








13th Sep, 2007 - 2:00pm / Post ID: #

Can Lamanite The President The Church Mormon Doctrine Studies - Page 4

dbackers:

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The churches membership is becoming more diverse and I do not doubt that the leadership will also become more diverse as time goes by.


True, but I do not see this happening anytime soon within the Quorum of the Twelve. When was the last time (IF we ever had) a non-white Apostle since the Restoration? I think it WILL happen in a moment but not anytime soon (there is not even a Black Seventy so I think this is a clue we are far from it).

I think the question "Can a Lamanite be the President of the Church" is strictly related to race and not tribe. Most South Americans LDS members consider themselves "Lamanites" hence what is being asked here is whether a Native American CAN become President of the Church. The answer in my humble opinion would be "can"? Sure, will happen anytime soon? I don't think so.



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