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  TO KNOW GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE--GOD THE FATHER OF OUR SPIRITS AND
    BODIES--THINGS CREATED SPIRITUALLY FIRST--ATONEMENT BY THE
                      SHEDDING OF BLOOD.

A Discourse by President Brigham Young,
Delivered in the Tabernacle,
Great Salt Lake City, February 8, 1857.

I feel myself somewhat under obligations to come here and talk to the
people, inasmuch as I have absented myself for some time, and others
have occupied this stand.

Perhaps I will not talk to you long, but I desire to pursue some of the
ideas that brother Cummings has just laid before you. I can testify that
every word he has spoken is true, even to the advancement of the Saints
at a "small gallop." Though that is rather a novel expression, still it
is true, as well as all the rest which he advanced.

The items that have been advanced are principles of real doctrine,
whether you consider them so or not. It is one of the first principles
of the doctrine of salvation to become acquainted with our Father and
our God. The Scriptures teach that this is eternal life, to "know Thee,
the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent;" this is as
much as to say that no man can enjoy or be prepared for eternal life
without that knowledge.

You hear a great deal of preaching upon this subject; and when people
repent of their sins, they will get together, and pray and exhort each
other, and try to get the spirit of revelation, try to have God their
Father revealed to them, that they may know Him and become acquainted
with Him.

There are some plain, simple facts that I wish to tell you, and I have
but one desire in this, which is, that you should have understanding to
receive them, to treasure them up in your hearts, to contemplate upon
these facts, for they are simple facts, based upon natural principles;
there is no mystery about them when once understood.

I want to tell you, each and every one of you, that you are well
acquainted with God our heavenly Father, or the great Eloheim. You are
all well acquainted with Him, for there is not a soul of you but what
has lived in His house and dwelt with Him year after year; and yet you
are seeking to become acquainted with Him, when the fact is, you have
merely forgotten what you did know. I told you a little last Sabbath
about forgetting things.

There is not a person here to-day but what is a son or a daughter of
that Being. In the spirit world their spirits were first begotten and
brought forth, and they lived there with their parents for ages before
they came here. This, perhaps, is hard for many to believe, but it is
the greatest nonsense in the world not to believe it. If you do not
believe it, cease to call Him Father; and when you pray, pray to some
other character.



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It would be inconsistent in you to disbelieve what I think you know,
and then to go home and ask the Father to do so and so for you. The
Scriptures which we believe have taught us from the beginning to call
Him our Father, and we have been taught to pray to Him as our Father,
in the name of our eldest brother whom we call Jesus Christ, the Saviour
of the world; and that Saviour, while here on earth, was so explicit on
the point that he taught his disciples to call no man on earth father,
for we have one which is in heaven. He is the Saviour, because it is his
right to redeem the remainder of the family pertaining to the flesh on
this earth, if any of you do not believe this, tell us how and what we
should believe. If I am not telling you the truth, please to tell me the
truth on this subject, and let me know more than I do know. If it is
hard for you to believe, if you wish to be Latter-day Saints, admit the
fact as I state it, and do not contend against it. Try to believe it,
because you will never become acquainted with our Father, never enjoy
the blessings of His Spirit, never be prepared to enter into His
presence, until you most assuredly believe it; therefore you had better
try to believe this great mystery about God.

I do not marvel that the world is clad in mystery, to them He is an
unknown God; they cannot tell where He dwells nor how He lives, nor what
kind of a being He is in appearance or character. They want to become
acquainted with His character and attributes, but they know nothing of
them. This is in consequence of the apostacy that is now in the world.
They have departed from the knowledge of God, transgressed His laws,
changed His ordinances, and broken the everlasting covenant, so that the
whole earth is defiled under the inhabitants thereof. Consequently it is
no mystery to us that the world knoweth not God, but it would be a
mystery to me, with what I now know, to say that we cannot know anything
of Him. We are His children.

To bring the truth of this matter close before you, I will instance your
fathers who made the first permanent settlement in New England. There
are a good many in this congregation whose fathers landed upon Plymouth
Rock in the year 1620. Those fathers began to spread abroad; they had
children, those children had children, and their children had children,
and here are we their children. I am one of them, and many of this
congregation belong to that class. Now ask yourselves this
simple question upon natural principles, has the species altered? Were
not the people who landed at Plymouth Rock the same species with us?
Were they not organized as we are? Were not their countenances similar
to ours? Did they not converse, have knowledge, read books? Were there
not mechanics among them, and did they not understand agriculture, &c.,
as we do? Yes, every person admits this.

Now follow our fathers further back and take those who first came to the
island of Great Britain, were they the same species of beings as those
who came to America? Yes, all acknowledge this; this is upon natural
principles. Thus you may continue and trace the human family back to
Adam and Eve, and ask, "are we of the same species with Adam and Eve?"
Yes, every person acknowledges this; this comes within the scope of our
understanding.

But when we arrive at that point, a vail is dropt, and our knowledge is
cut off. Were it not so, you could trace back your history to the Father
of our spirits in the eternal world. He is a being of the same species
as ourselves; He lives as we do, except the difference that we are
earthly, and He is heavenly. He has been earthly, and is of precisely
the same species of being that we are. Whether Adam is the personage
that we should consider our heavenly Father, or not, is considerable of
a mystery to a good many. I do not care for one moment how that is; it
is no matter whether we are to consider Him our God, or whether His
Father, or His Grandfather, for in either case we are of one species--of
one family--and Jesus Christ is also of our species.

You may hear the divines of the day extol the character of the Saviour,
undertake to exhibit his true character before the people, and give an
account of his origin, and were it not ridiculous, I would tell what I
have thought about their views. Brother Kimball wants me to tell it,
therefore you will excuse me if I do. I have frequently thought of
mules, which you know are half horse and half donkey, when reflecting upon
the representations made by those divines. I have heard sectarian
priests undertake to tell the character of the Son of God, and they make
him half of one species and half of another, and I could not avoid
thinking at once of the mule, which is the most hateful creature that
ever was made, I believe. You will excuse me, but I have thus thought
many a time.

Now to the facts in the case; all the difference between Jesus Christ
and any other man that ever lived on the earth, from the days of Adam
until now, is simply this, the Father, after He had once been in the
flesh, and lived as we live, obtained His exaltation, attained to
thrones, gained the ascendancy over principalities and powers, and had
the knowledge and power to create--to bring forth and organize the
elements upon natural principles. This He did after His ascension, or
His glory, or His eternity, and was actually classed with the Gods, with
the beings who create, with those who have kept the celestial law while
in the flesh, and again obtained their bodies. Then He was prepared to
commence the work of creation, as the Scriptures teach. It is all here
in the Bible; I am not telling you a word but what is contained in that
book.

Things were first created spiritually; the Father actually begat the
spirits, and they were brought forth and lived with Him. Then He
commenced the work of creating earthly tabernacles, precisely as He had
been created in this flesh himself, by partaking of the course material
that was organized and composed this earth, until His system was charged
with it, consequently the tabernacles of His children were organized
from the coarse materials of this earth.



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When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into
the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured
that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it.
The Saviour was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same Being
who is the Father of our spirits, and that is all the organic difference
between Jesus Christ and you and me. And a difference there is between
our Father and us consists in that He has gained His exaltation, and has
obtained eternal lives. The principle of eternal lives is an eternal
existence, eternal duration, eternal exaltation. Endless are His
kingdoms, endless His thrones and His dominions, and endless are His
posterity; they never will cease to multiply from this time henceforth
and forever.

To you who are prepared to enter into the presence of the Father and the
Son, what I am now telling will eventually be no more strange than are
the feelings of a person who returns to his father's house, brethren,
and sisters, and enjoys the society of his old associates, after an
absence of several years upon some distant island. Upon returning he
would be happy to see his father, his relatives and friends. So also if
we keep the celestial law when our spirits go to God who gave them, we
shall find that we are acquainted there and distinctly realize that we
know all about that world.

Tell me that you do not know anything about God! I will tell you one
thing, it would better become you to lay your hands upon your mouths and
them in the dust, and cry, "unclean, unclean."

Whether you receive these things or not, I tell you them in simplicity.
I lay them before you like a child, because they are perfectly simple.
If you see and understand these things, it will be by the Spirit of God;
you will receive them by no other spirit. No matter whether they are
told to you like the thunderings of the Almighty, or by simple
conversation; if you enjoy the Spirit of the Lord, it will tell you
whether they are right or not.

I am acquainted with my Father. I am as confident that I understand in
part, see in part, and know and am acquainted with Him in part, as I am
that I was acquainted with my earthly father who died in Quincy,
Illinois, after we were driven from Missouri. My recollection is better
with regard to my earthly father than it is in regard to my heavenly
Father; but as to knowing of what species He is, and how He is
organized, and with regard to His existence, I understand it in part as
well as I understand the organization and existence of my earthly
father. That is my opinion about it, and my opinion to me is just as
good as yours is to you; and if you are of the same opinion you will be
satisfied as I am.

I know my heavenly Father and Jesus Christ whom He has sent, and this is
eternal life. And if we will do as we have been told this morning, if
you will enter into the Spirit of your calling, into the principle of
securing to yourselves eternal lives, eternal existence, eternal
exaltation, it will be well with you. But if, after being put into a
carriage and placed upon the road, after having everything prepared for
the journey that infinite wisdom could devise, this people stroll into
the swamp, get into the woods among the brambles and briars, and wander
around until night overtakes them, I say, shame on such people.

I am ashamed to talk about a reformation, for if you have entered into
the spirit of your religion, you will know whether these things are so
or not. If you have the spirit of your religion and have confidence in
you, walk along and continue to do so, and secure to yourselves the life
before you, and never let it be said, from this time henceforth, that
you have wakened out of your sleep, from the fact that you are always
awake.

We talk about the reformation, but recollect that you have only just
commenced to walk in the way of life and salvation. You have just
commenced in the career to obtain eternal life, which is that which you
desire, therefore you have no time to spend only in that path. It is
straight and narrow, simple and easy, and is an Almighty path, if you
will keep in it. But if you wander off into swamps, or into brambles,
and get into darkness, you will find it hard to get back.

Brother Cummings told you the truth this morning with regard to the sins
of the people. And I will say that the time will come, and is now nigh
at hand, when those who profess our faith, if they are guilty of what
some of this people are guilty of, will find the axe laid at the root of
the tree, and they will be hewn down. What has been must be again, for
the Lord is coming to restore all things. The time has been in Israel
under the law of God, the celestial law, or that which pertains to the
celestial law, for it is one of the laws of that kingdom where our
Father dwells, that if a man was found guilty of adultery, he must have
his blood shed, and that is near at hand. But now I say, in the name of
the Lord, that if this people will sin no more, but faithfully live
their religion, their sins will be forgiven them without taking life.

You are aware that when brother Cummings came to the point of loving our
neighbours as ourselves, he could say yes or no as the case might be,
that is true. But I want to connect it with the doctrine you read in the
Bible. When will we love our neighbour as ourselves? In the first place,
Jesus said that no man hateth his own flesh. It is admitted by all that
every person loves himself. Now if we do rightly love ourselves, we want
to be saved and continue to exist, we want to go into the kingdom where
we can enjoy eternity and see no more sorrow nor death. This is the
desire of every person who believes in God. Now take a person in this
congregation who has knowledge with regard to being saved in the kingdom
of our God and our Father, and being exalted, one who knows and
understands the principles of eternal life, and sees the beauty and
excellency of the eternities before him compared with the vain and
foolish things of the world, and suppose that he is overtaken in a gross
fault, that he has committed a sin that he knows will deprive him of
that exaltation which he desires, and that he cannot attain to it
without the shedding of his blood, and also knows that by having his
blood shed he will atone for that sin, and be saved and exalted with the
Gods, is there a man of woman in this house but what would say, "shed my
blood that I may be saved and exalted with the Gods?"



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All mankind love themselves, and let these principles be known by an
individual, and he would be glad to have his blood shed. That would be
loving themselves, even unto an eternal exaltation. Will you love your
brothers or sisters likewise, when they have committed a sin that cannot
be atoned for without the shedding of their blood? Will you love that
man or woman well enough to shed their blood? That is what Jesus Christ
meant. He never told a man or woman to love their enemies in their
wickedness, never. He never intended any such thing; his language is
left as it is for those to read who have the Spirit to discern between
truth and error; it was so left for those who can discern the things of
God. Jesus Christ never meant that we should love a wicked man in his
wickedness.

Now take the wicked, and I can refer to where the Lord had to slay every
soul of the Israelites that went out of Egypt, except Caleb and Joshua.
He slew them by the hands of their enemies, by the plague, and by the
sword, why? Because He loved them, and promised Abraham that He would
save them. And He loved Abraham because he was a friend to his God, and
would stick to Him in the hour of darkness, hence He promised Abraham
that He would save his seed. And He could save them upon no other
principle, for they had forfeited their right to the land of Canaan by
transgressing the law of God, and they could not have atoned for the sin
if they had lived. But if they were slain, the Lord could bring them up
in the resurrection, and give them the land of Canaan, and He could not
do it on any other principle.

I could refer you to plenty of instances where men have been righteously
slain, in order to atone for their sins. I have seen scores and hundreds
of people for whom there would have been a chance (in the last
resurrection there will be) if their lives had been taken and their
blood spilled on the ground as a smoking incense to the Almighty, but
who are now angels to the devil, until our elder brother Jesus Christ
raises them up--conquers death, hell, and the grave. I have known a
great many men who have left this Church for whom there is no chance
whatever for exaltation, but if their blood had been spilled, it
would have been better for them. The wickedness and ignorance of the
nations forbid this principle's being in full force, but the time will
come when the law of God will be in full force.

This is loving our neighbour as ourselves; if he needs help, help him;
and if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the
earth in order that he may be saved, spill it. Any of you who understand
the principles of eternity, if you have sinned a sin requiring the
shedding of blood, except the sin unto death, would not be satisfied nor
rest until your blood should be spilled, that you might gain that
salvation you desire. That is the way to love mankind.

Christ and Belial have not become friends; they have never shaken hands;
they never have agreed to be brothers and to be on good terms; no,
never; and they never will, because they are diametrically opposed to
each other. If one conquers, the other is destroyed. One or the other of
them must triumph and utterly destroy and cast down his opponent. Light
and darkness cannot dwell together, and so it is with the kingdom of God.

Now, brethren and sisters, will you live your religion? How many hundreds
of times have I asked you that question? Will the Latter-day Saints live
their religion? I am ashamed to say anything about a reformation among
Saints, but I am happy to think that the people called Latter-day Saints
are striving now to obtain the Spirit of their calling and religion. They
are just coming into the path, just waking up out of their sleep. It
seems as though they are nearly all like babies; we are but children
in one sense. Now let us begin, like children, and walk in the straight
and narrow path, live our religion, and honour our God.

With these remarks, I pray the God of Israel to bless you forever and
ever, for you are the best people on earth. I can say that I am happy
that you are doing so well as you are. Continue to increase in all the
graces of God's Spirit until the day of His coming, which I desire with
all my heart, in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.





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