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Usa Ussr - Politics, Business, Civil, History - Posted: 6th May, 2008 - 12:25pm
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USA The New USSR?
Here is an interesting thought from a financial news "Guy" - an independent named George Ure. He runs a website at www.urbansurvival.com and tends to be on the "Doom and gloom" Side of the street. He puts forth this idea of the US reflecting traits of the old USSR in an interesting way. This section comes from the subscription-only pages, so I quote only a fair-use quote to start our discussion here.
QUOTE Perhaps there is more than a passing similarity between the new Homeland Security Mega Empire and the old Soviet Style Security Apparatchik. It's possible we are building a huge pile of debt faster than the old Soviet leadership. It could be that teachers really have brain-washed our kids into a cult of memorization and not thinking (Aided and abetted by gobs of political correctness) - and maybe we're driving Beemers to corporate labor camps. The question is stark: has the two-party system really morphed into a one-party system bought and paid for by the corporate elitists' love of centralized, concentrated power?
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Post Date: 7th Jun, 2006 - 9:37am / Post ID: #
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| QUOTE |
| "Before the rise of fascism, Germany and Italy were, on paper, liberal democracies. Fascism did not swoop down on these nations as if from another planet. To the contrary, fascist dictatorship was the result of political and economic changes these nations underwent while they were still democratic. In both these countries, economic power became so utterly concentrated that the bulk of all economic activity fell under the control of a handful of men. Economic power, when sufficiently vast, becomes by its very nature political power. The political power of big business supported fascism in Italy and Germany." -Paul Bigioni. "Fascism Then. Fascism Now?" Toronto Star. Monday, November 28 ed. |
The current leadership of the United States including the CEOs of some of the largest multinational corporations are members of The Project for the New American Century, a surprisingly flagrant organization bent on military domination.
So to answer the question: I think yes.
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Post Date: 20th Jun, 2006 - 7:03am / Post ID: #
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Well, first problem with your quote as an argument is that America is very very far from a "liberal democracy" when you factor in the attempts at passing "morality laws" like banning gay marriage. Right or wrong, thats not the sign of a liberal democracy when your house, senate, judiciary, and presidency are all conservative republicans.
However, the point that the USA is moving towards something like the USSR is valid in spirit if not practicality. See, in order to be like that, they would need to be more like a liberal democracy, but we are moving towards more of a theocracy in which its OK to make laws enforcing specific moral values, that is wholly against what the likes of the USSR where for.
While the idea of the government becoming way to powerful is very real, that is ultimately where the USA is going and in some cases is. I don't think that the US is moving towards a USSR type of country, but perhaps one that is whole as intolerant as they where, just towards different sections.
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I agree with Konq on this one. In practice, the US is not a liberal democracy. Politically, you cannot compare it to what the USSR was.
But in spirit I think you can.
Both are/were paranoid superpowers desperate to hold onto their power. Both have spent insane amounts of money on military might to secure power. Both propped up dictators and brought down legitimate governments to fuel their national interests. And both will probably crumble through internal collapse and not because they were conquered. There is a common misconception that the US won the Cold War, when the truth was the USSR collapsed.
But most superpowers throughout history follow a similar path. Power corrupts and corruption can only be powerful for so long.
| Offtopic but, I find the Project for the New American Century extremely disturbing. It's also laughable how these idiots claim to have defeated the USSR in the Cold War, desperately trying to draw on mythology to justify future global domination. |
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Post Date: 28th Apr, 2008 - 1:41am / Post ID: #
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Name: Roma
Comments: The USA will never be like USSR... she was the best all countries know and the strongest and they had better life than in USA, 10 times better but after the collapse they were weaken and now u all can see that Russia is already #1 power in the world back on its legs it has best shields and best weapons and USA is going down cause of its economy even USA announced on news that Russia is ahead of them from 2007-> in technology and power.
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Post Date: 28th Apr, 2008 - 3:23pm / Post ID: #
USA The New USSR?
I believe that the USA will never be like the old USSR was. We as a people will not allow it to happen. Granted there are some powerful business CEOs out there but they wil have to get more of the people behind them. I doubt that will happen. I do see the USA government changing but to what we will have to see.
Post Date: 6th May, 2008 - 11:25am / Post ID: #
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Name: Stephan
Comments: First off, the United States of America isn't a Democracy. It's a Representative Republic. As to Gay marriage, you'd have to believe that polygamy should be a legally acceptable practice as well (It is after all between consenting adults). If you do, I wouldn't agree with you, but I'd find your arguments consistent. As to the US becoming the new USSR...Only for any period of time that the US public finds it acceptable in majority. If you don't like the views of your political leaders, elect new ones (though voter fraud be rampant on both sides of the fence).
Post Date: 6th May, 2008 - 12:25pm / Post ID: #
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Voter fraus here in the united states Say it isn't so. Yes that is the big issue right now. Voters are the ones who decide our government. With the new electronic machines proving to be easily accessed from a outside source I can see voter fraud becoming more of a issue
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