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  Michael Travesser is Jesus Christ returned to earth       0.00%
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  Michael Travesser is not Jesus but a prophet       0.00%
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  Michael Travesser is a false prophet leading people astray       50.00%
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  Michael Travesser is just a misguided soul preying on other misguided souls       37.50%
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  Strong City is just a typical cult       12.50%
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  The followers seem genuine but not Michael Travesser       0.00%
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Post Date: 28th Jun, 2008 - 4:01am / Post ID: #

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Naturally, the family wants to inculcate their values / religion in their kids. This is brainwashing in my opinion, but every family, church, tribe, etc., does it...


SFKid,

You may or may not know how loaded this statement that you made is. Yes, the media and the mob have inferred that we brainwash/program our youth, or our children. Tell me though, don't all parents teach their children, primarily from their own background and morals?

Do homosexual or lesbian parents try to teach their children to be heterosexual in their sexual preference? Do "God fearing" parents teach their children to be Atheist? Of course not. It is my observation that Americans are the most successful brainwashers in the history of the world.

This is done by a cooperative media, while the religious ones have their hands on the media keyboards printing out their propaganda. American righteousness is perpetually being bombarded on children as they grow up; both in school and on TV. This self righteous attitude attempts to validate 200 years of mass murder that has been conducted in the name of their conservative God.

If you were to actually visit with any of the people who are here, and even those who have left our company, you would find that all things here are done voluntarily and with non coerced consent. The fact that people freely leave our association proves this point well. We actually help, and in many cases pay people to leave.

What we have found in walking the path that we have been given to walk; is that the "freedom" the American proclaims is available to all men, is only available if one walks the path that they ordain. One's religion can be practiced, as long as it doesn't cause the ire of the hypocrites to rise up. If that happens, all freedom, whether religious or not, goes out the door and a man just received a free trip to the gallows or the gulag.

Reconcile Edited: TerryCzap on 28th Jun, 2008 - 4:14am

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Post Date: 28th Jun, 2008 - 2:52pm / Post ID: #

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City Strong and Travesser Michael

Sounds to me that you are now saying that your in a whole different religion than the majority of others. Does this now mean that he is not Jesus? He is just another man who has started his own religion for the freedom of expression? Why is it that every time you answer one question you raise others? Can you tell us without doubt that the religion that is being taught to you and the others is different than the masses you say are all brainwashed by America?

Post Date: 28th Jun, 2008 - 4:12pm / Post ID: #

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Sounds to me that you are now saying that your in a whole different religion than the majority of others.


That's right. I and some others who are alive today live like Jesus lived, because we have his Spirit. The vast majority of the 1 billion professed "Christians" do not have a life that in any way resembles the way in which Jesus lived. Jesus gave himself to do what his Father told him to do. His mission was, in part, attacking hypocrisy. His work was to love all mankind, even at the expense of his own life.

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Can you tell us without doubt that the religion that is being taught to you and the others is different than the masses you say are all brainwashed by America?


Yes, I can.

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"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall strike down one of your buildings, let him assault to him the other also. Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you" - From the fifth chapter of Matthew.


This is what Jesus taught, but it is not what the Americans do. It is not what the self inflated, conservative Republican does. It is not what the nominal professed "Christian" does. In this, we are worlds apart, for the kingdom of God is not like the kingdoms that men build and sustain.

Jesus would not bomb and kill others because he saw them as a threat. He would not murder millions of people because he wanted their oil. The life of Christ does not invade, rape, pillage, and murder other nationalities in an effort to convert them to his religious preference. Modern Christianity is a farce, and those who partake of its polluted ways, bar themselves from entrance to the heavenly associations.

Reconcile Edited: TerryCzap on 28th Jun, 2008 - 4:21pm

Post Date: 28th Jun, 2008 - 4:59pm / Post ID: #

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Page 4 City Strong and Travesser Michael

TerryCzap said:

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The life of Christ does not invade, rape, pillage, and murder



Ok I know that jesus would not do this for it is written in the bible. If your leader is jesus returned to earth why is he raping young women? Your saying two different things once again.

IS your leader Jesus? Or is he just some man leading a new religion based on the teachings of Jesus. If your leader is jesus he would not be here to impregnate women but to lead all true christians into the promised land.

Post Date: 28th Jun, 2008 - 5:03pm / Post ID: #

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City Strong and Travesser Michael

Terry: I would agree that the media distort things. They often all jump on the bandwagon without all the facts gathered, whether it is a car accident, a shooting, politics, etc., and then sensationalize it to sell papers, get ratings, whatever.

I would also agree that many who claim to be Christians do not act that way - the best example being the one in the White House. From the Prez on downs, we seem to resort to lies, threats and violence all too quickly to get people to do our bidding.

How do you feel about being called a "cult" (I guess there are even some self references by Michael as being a cult) ? Do you view that as a negative term inhibiting your credibility?

What do you predict will happen as the future unfolds?
Dealing w/ the authorities?
Community stability?
Attracting new members?


28th Jun, 2008 - 5:12pm / Post ID: #

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TerryCzap, despite the 'hard' questions and 'attacks' against Michael I congratulate you for coming here and answering them as they relate to him and Strong City. Seeing as this Thread is becoming popular again I gave it a poll and image for easy referrence.

My question for TerryCzap, what is your 'position' in the group? Are you official PR or just an interested person in what is portrayed on the net about Michael?



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Post Date: 28th Jun, 2008 - 6:33pm / Post ID: #

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All quotes are from SFKid,

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How do you feel about being called a "cult" (I guess there are even some self references by Michael as being a cult) ? Do you view that as a negative term inhibiting your credibility?


Applying the term "cult" is a modern form of libel or slandering someone. 2000 years ago calling a person a "Christian" was a derogatory term. It doesn't bother me in the least however, as I understand how the world operates.

Name calling is nothing in comparison to the assaults from government, blood family, and former friends that I (and many of the rest of us) have endured for almost 30 years. I will not bore you with the details, but they include many things just short of being nailed to a tree.

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What do you predict will happen as the future unfolds?


The U.S. and the Western world is going to sink into oblivion very shortly. For the last 150 years, the "powers that be" have been orchestrating the "perfect storm" for the United States of Murderers. The economy is on its way to the cellar. The dollar does not hold value to the rest of the monetary systems. Houses are being foreclosed at a rate never seen before in the history of the modern world. Society has been programmed to be in debt to their eyebrows. No one grows their own food as they did when the last crash happened. Because of this, a nation wide food shortage is completely upon us.

All of these things will and are happening because the U.S. has not honored its moral obligation to God and to the rest of the world. 70 years after the rejection of Jesus by the professed people of God (Jews 2000 years ago), their country was destroyed. In our age, due to the rejection of Michael as the Christ/Messiah, soon the earth will be destroyed also.

We are fine with it. We have been praying for its destruction for almost 20 years. It is what God has asked us to do, and we have been faithful to our calling. We desire that all men choose the alternative to destruction, but their hearts are evil, and they would only try to murder God if allowed in heaven; rejecting God is what is best for those who do it. This is the reason Michael has been sent in the manner he was. It was to reveal who can hear and see God's plan, and who could not.

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Dealing w/ the authorities?


The case against Michael will be dropped shortly. It has already completely unraveled and is only hanging by a thread. The authorities for the New Mexico government tried to do a "PR campaign" against us, as they did with Waco. The District Attorney was up for re-election about the time the two films came out to stir up the mob. But since we are not Waco (we don't have weapons, and do not resist the evil ways of those in authority), the whole process backfired.

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Community stability?


We are not called "Strong City" for nothing.

29th Jun, 2008 - 5:00am / Post ID: #

Michael Travesser & Strong City General Religious Beliefs - Page 4

I find the arguments in defense of this cult very weak. Also check this Thread to see how Michael's 'defender' reacts to requests to stop insulting KNtoran.

Most of what I can base this cult on comes from the words of Michael himself. I can quote a dozen or so scriptures that shows how false this man is and his claims to be Christ, but I do not think he deserves as much promotion as he is already getting from this Thread or the efforts of Terry and SFKid. As one Guest rightly put it...

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Did anyone forget that when Christ returns every eye shall see? I don't believe that means only 50 or so people in the New Mexico desert.



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